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Postby ahmads » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:09 pm

shokin wrote:Let us boycot pollution !

Let us use cars only when necessary.

We can go by car, on feet. We are not forced to go shopping.

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about pollution we can use bicycle,,it is very interesting and you will be athlete if you use it.
certainly you know about cars that use hydrogen like a power.
but What about traffic jam ?it is the question :?: :idea:

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Postby MissLT » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:35 pm

shokin wrote:Let us boycot pollution !

Let us use cars only when necessary.

We can go by car, on feet. We are not forced to go shopping.

Shokin

But we need to. There are million of things we need to buy for our daily lives. We ain't living in a stone age to use everything in nature. For examples, we can't make clothes by ourselves. We can't just grow things and make food out of them since we can't grow everything in our backyard.
To reduce traffic jam because of too many cars I think the city should encourage people to carpool. Those people can have free parking or several hours free parking if they carpool.

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Postby Hardi » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:43 pm

It's too cold for bicycle for me now, but I also don't like public transport too.. too dirty, when I had used it, then there had sometime some homeless peoples coming to warmth into buss and they was really very dirty and stinky. I walking... I live in little town, so I can walk.

Actually there is nothing to do, money is not for ashmed. If you have it then you must show it.. you buy some stupid ferrari or pointless H2 to belong to club of idiots. Actually real idiot car is landrover discovery(one of my relative have it) probably it's yet not enough expensive... but still only idiot want have it.

Well some estonian politicans once promised to make public transport for free when elect them. but that's not realistic.

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Postby MissLT » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:48 pm

Hardi wrote:It's too cold for bicycle for me now, but I also don't like public transport too.. too dirty, when I had used it, then there had sometime some homeless peoples coming to warmth into buss and they was really very dirty and stinky. I walking... I live in little town, so I can walk.

True that! True that! 8)

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Postby shokin » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:49 pm

LennyeTran wrote:But we need to. There are million of things we need to buy for our daily lives.


Tell me these very many things that we need.

There are many things that we can avoid, which are not necessary :

tv, video games, coca cola, hamburgers...

but the main idea is to take care about what you already have, for not having to buy new.

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Postby ahmads » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:30 pm

Hardi wrote:It's too cold for bicycle for me now, but I also don't like public transport too.. too dirty, when I had used it, then there had sometime some homeless peoples coming to warmth into buss and they was really very dirty and stinky. I walking... I live in little town, so I can walk.


I hate buses , because I feel that I am in (sardine can) :lol: when I ride buses

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Postby Arale » Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:26 am

Hardi wrote:It's too cold for bicycle for me now, but I also don't like public transport too.. too dirty, when I had used it, then there had sometime some homeless peoples coming to warmth into buss and they was really very dirty and stinky. I walking... I live in little town, so I can walk.


You're right. It feels so uncomfortable when buses are too crowded. I think the Government should invest more into public transports. Great if it's free. In my country, public transports is still a controversial problem. Buses are always crowded, and the price is not cheap. I prefer a transport system in which all people have to use public transports like buses, undergrounds, trains...and private vihicles are only used in the suburbs. :)

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Postby MissLT » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:22 am

shokin wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:But we need to. There are million of things we need to buy for our daily lives.


Tell me these very many things that we need.

There are many things that we can avoid, which are not necessary :

tv, video games, coca cola, hamburgers...

but the main idea is to take care about what you already have, for not having to buy new.

Shokin

You don't go shopping for food, clothes, accessories, etc? You are exaggerating your words with shopping again. You're making it seem like it's a crime for people to do it. For the love of God.....

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Postby MissLT » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:24 am

Arale wrote:You're right. It feels so uncomfortable when buses are too crowded. I think the Government should invest more into public transports. Great if it's free. In my country, public transports is still a controversial problem. Buses are always crowded, and the price is not cheap. I prefer a transport system in which all people have to use public transports like buses, undergrounds, trains...and private vihicles are only used in the suburbs. :)

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The government only pays for the handicapped people, which they use the tax money from the people. In a way it's not free for them either. And it will never be free for anyone else.

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Postby Arale » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:43 am

LennyeTran wrote:The government only pays for the handicapped people, which they use the tax money from the people. In a way it's not free for them either. And it will never be free for anyone else.


They can take the tax from other fields like industry, business... to pay for public transports. Certainly, there should have a balance among all industries. Rich countries and good Governments can do this.

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Postby MissLT » Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:43 am

Arale wrote:
They can take the tax from other fields like industry, business... to pay for public transports. Certainly, there should have a balance among all industries. Rich countries and good Governments can do this.

It's impossible. This is all I can tell you. What you said is a communist idea, and communist ideas never work.

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Postby Hardi » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:38 am

well making public transport free reduces amount of cars, reducing amount of cars reducing the spend to repair/build new roads.. It's not enough but.. I think taxes for cars is good idea, because then peoples don't ride so much with cars.. and walking is also good for health.

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Postby shokin » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:37 am

LennyeTran wrote:
shokin wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:But we need to. There are million of things we need to buy for our daily lives.


Tell me these very many things that we need.

There are many things that we can avoid, which are not necessary :

tv, video games, coca cola, hamburgers...

but the main idea is to take care about what you already have, for not having to buy new.

Shokin

You don't go shopping for food, clothes, accessories, etc? You are exaggerating your words with shopping again. You're making it seem like it's a crime for people to do it. For the love of God.....


I avoid much to buy things that I don't need.

Clothes are not useless.

One of my criteria in many contexts is the nature, you know.

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Postby Arale » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:59 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Arale wrote:
They can take the tax from other fields like industry, business... to pay for public transports. Certainly, there should have a balance among all industries. Rich countries and good Governments can do this.

It's impossible. This is all I can tell you. What you said is a communist idea, and communist ideas never work.


Dear Lennye, I don't think free public transports are impossible. I don't believe in a communist world but some communist ideas can be possible or have been so already. Traffic jam is a controversial problem in many countries. If it is solved, it will bring great benefit. That's what some leaders should consider. :wink:

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Postby MissLT » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:20 pm

Arale wrote:
Dear Lennye, I don't think free public transports are impossible. I don't believe in a communist world but some communist ideas can be possible or have been so already. Traffic jam is a controversial problem in many countries. If it is solved, it will bring great benefit. That's what some leaders should consider. :wink:

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For an example? :?

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Postby Shazzam » Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:40 pm

There was a free bus service in Australia for many years (school buses) however in the last few years the government is charging a small amount if you live reasonably close to a school and you chose to use the bus (it is concessioned).

There are also rates in place for people that are on pensions (they get a reduced fare).

I think it would be impossible to offer everyone free public transport, the system would collapse and become quite dangerous. When you consider the maintenance costs involved in keeping the transport system going.

If people think public transport is too expensive that should keep tabs on what it is costing them to run a car. I would bet that public transport would be a lot cheaper. The thing is people want the convenience of their own vehicle, I don't think you could ever change that.

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Postby Hardi » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:42 pm

Anyway walking is not solution too, because peoples usually walk slower than cars and that populates streets over. So only way is using trains. build railroads everywhere... and also blow regular roads up..

Well I think there is no big different, communism or capitalism or what ever else, It's all same, because humans are same...

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Postby Arale » Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:45 am

LennyeTran wrote:
Arale wrote:
Dear Lennye, I don't think free public transport is impossible. I don't believe in a communist world but some communist ideas can be possible or have been so already. Traffic jam is a controversial problem in many countries. If it is solved, it will bring great benefit. That's what some leaders should consider. :wink:

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For an example? :?


In China, there's no ticket checker in public buses. Certainly, it's not free but the fine is quite cheap and anyone who uses the bus will automatically put money in a box in the bus. I think that's great! Pity there are still so few examples. :cry:

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Postby Shazzam » Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:07 am

Arale wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:
Arale wrote:
Dear Lennye, I don't think free public transport is impossible. I don't believe in a communist world but some communist ideas can be possible or have been so already. Traffic jam is a controversial problem in many countries. If it is solved, it will bring great benefit. That's what some leaders should consider. :wink:

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For an example? :?


In China, there's no ticket checker in public buses. Certainly, it's not free but the fine is quite cheap and anyone who uses the bus will automatically put money in a box in the bus. I think that's great! Pity there are still so few examples. :cry:


But how can you tell if someone has paid the correct money. It isn't fair that someone should have to pay more than another to travel :?: :idea:

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Postby illusion » Sun Dec 25, 2005 2:24 pm

thank goodness I live in a small town where there is no such thing as traffic jam. no traffic jam= no problem :D

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Postby CityYoung » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:50 pm

HI illusion you are like me . In my city I don't havt traffic jam and I don't have problems My city not too big :wink:


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