University-the only way to enter life?

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Postby keko » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:32 pm

Right Shazzam
Universities and Colleges are not the only way.Arts and craft, trade, small-sized companies are some options. The question is to choose what makes your dreams come true. It will only depend on you and whichever it is your choise, always try to do your best.

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Postby Admiral » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:57 pm

Yeah, of course it's not the only way. But you have to go to school, haven't you? And I think if you are always good in school and have money, most probable you will follow this learning route... Well, my own opinion.

So, I also agree with you that it's not always the best way and definitely not the only way. Maybe you want to earn money earlier, or mostly universities won't make that much money as some other diplomas, and so on.

But it's one way from the beginning to the end on one route without resigning.

And I want to let you know that it's statistically proven that people from universities of applied sciences (which is an alternative for university) become more money than from conventional universities.

However, with a master of manual skills, you won't get as far as with a diploma, I think.

But still I think that University and Colleague is a very good way within all choices.

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Postby MissLT » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:43 pm

Admiral wrote:However, with a master of manual skills, you won't get as far as with a diploma, I think.

But still I think that University and Colleague is a very good way within all choices.

You meant without? And I totally agree with you right here.

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Postby Shazzam » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:45 pm

I think it also depends on the type of degree that you pursue. For example alot of young people in my country choose to do BA (Bachelor of Arts) these degree are a waste of resources, most of the recipients end up working in retail positions. I also know alot of people that have masters degrees in certain fields that still work at the university after completing their studies in administrative rolls (office work). I don't have a degree but have experience and I was given the same position. So you have to consider if the degree you are choosing is going to get you into your desired field. :roll:

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Postby Ika » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:03 am

I'm a teacher.For me-University is the best way.BUT.I have come to conclusion,this is not the only, and in some cases,not the best way.Everybody is unique,and we just have to accept it.
There is another thing- children must be offered the real choise, I mean,if their parents from the very beginning show their negative attitude to education,and then,unfortunately,the school disappoints the child too,then How on Earth the child can fall in love with studying???there is no choise any more.
"To know nothing is bad, to learn nothing is worse."

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Postby MissLT » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:13 pm

Shazzam wrote:I think it also depends on the type of degree that you pursue. For example alot of young people in my country choose to do BA (Bachelor of Arts) these degree are a waste of resources, most of the recipients end up working in retail positions. I also know alot of people that have masters degrees in certain fields that still work at the university after completing their studies in administrative rolls (office work). I don't have a degree but have experience and I was given the same position. So you have to consider if the degree you are choosing is going to get you into your desired field. :roll:

I think those people choose the areas because they're interested in living up with their dreams and not all about the money. I mean, some career like being an anthropologists doesn't get paid much, does it? :? This is sad.

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Postby DocAndy » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:02 am

It is not important to visit a university. I have read a lot of books in about that and the richest mens in the world haven't and hadn't high education. :evil:

I know a lot of people who haven't high education and they are very successful and rich.

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Postby Shazzam » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:01 am

LennyeTran wrote:
Shazzam wrote:I think it also depends on the type of degree that you pursue. For example alot of young people in my country choose to do BA (Bachelor of Arts) these degree are a waste of resources, most of the recipients end up working in retail positions. I also know alot of people that have masters degrees in certain fields that still work at the university after completing their studies in administrative rolls (office work). I don't have a degree but have experience and I was given the same position. So you have to consider if the degree you are choosing is going to get you into your desired field. :roll:

I think those people choose the areas because they're interested in living up with their dreams and not all about the money. I mean, some career like being an anthropologists doesn't get paid much, does it? :? This is sad.


I understand what you are saying Lenny, but explain to me what field a 'bachelor of arts' falls into. :idea: To me it is just a way of extending your days as a student. The government in my country doesn't give subsidies on this style of course anymore (thank god). :roll: I say if you University entry marks only enable you to do a course like this, it is time to get a job!!

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Postby MissLT » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:42 am

Shazzam wrote:I understand what you are saying Lenny, but explain to me what field a 'bachelor of arts' falls into. :idea: To me it is just a way of extending your days as a student. The government in my country doesn't give subsidies on this style of course anymore (thank god). :roll: I say if you University entry marks only enable you to do a course like this, it is time to get a job!!

Bachelor of Arts (BA) includes social sciences, humanities, music, or fine arts. In social sciences we have geography, sociology, anthropology, linguistics, economics, political science etc. In humanities we have philosophy, literature, history, communication, cultural studies, etc. In music we have every field related to music like musicology and so on. In fine arts we have painting, poetry, opera, theater, etc. As you see, BA is not a waste of time for people who have their interests in those fields or for us in general. Without people who study these fields, we would not have historians, anthropologist, cultural anthropologists, philosophists, musicians, speech makers, teachers, linguists and so on.

We all need a base to build our knowledge foundation, and the knowledge we gain from being in the university is one of the many important factors in life to do our job. Study what you want to study. You'll only gain and not lose something. I'd rather being in school to study to be an anthropologist than dropping out of college to work at Burger King for seven dollars an hour. How long would it take me to be a manager without a college degree? Ten or twenty years? At least if I studied anthropology to become an anthropologist, I would make more than the salary I would have at BK when I graduated from college and fulfilled my dream.

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Postby Shazzam » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:03 pm

Well Lenny I disagree. I have no university degree. Within five years of working in office administration at a Legal Firm. I was offered an Editors position at a Newspaper. NO DEGREE!

In Australia it doesn't work that way. Your knowledge is based on just that, YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

BA's have proved to be what australians call "a bachelor in bull*it". I am happy that my government doesn't waste funding on such degrees. I would much rather see funding go towards students that choose, medicine, science, agriculture or law. :roll:

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Postby MissLT » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:02 am

Shazzam wrote:Well Lenny I disagree. I have no university degree. Within five years of working in office administration at a Legal Firm. I was offered an Editors position at a Newspaper. NO DEGREE!

But have you ever wondered that you wouldn't have had to start from the bottom and waste five years to make an impression to them if you had graduated from college with a degree they required you? :?

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Postby shokin » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:28 am

More and more often, students who have finished university find difficulties to find a job. It becomes difficult with the capricious firms.

But do we have to choose our cursus according to the work market ? do we have to be slave of the market ?

Or wouldn'be better to choose our cursus according to our loving, to our convictions, to our motivation sources, to the needs of the planet ?

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Postby moneymind » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:48 am

Hi you guys,

It depend very much on society where you are staying & education system of each country. It is normal to see the topic raised by a member from Vietnam. By culture, Vietnamese especially old generation only find honorable when there children are degreed. Conjunction with this, the business environment are not so as developed & "opened" as others western countries, therefore the chance by opportunistics is not so high. The reality that Vietnam education system does not give students enough information of job orientation, so they find no way to "enter the life safely" without entering university.

I do not think this topic is a much concerned in such countries like United Stated or UK, where business enviorenment has already been a battle. The wiser, the faster, the more opportunistics are the winner. There are so many successful people who have never finished their university.

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby sweethuman » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:00 am

In my country it is only a great pleasure to have a degree however you can get better chances to get a good salary scale thru your degree

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby adle » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:30 am

I was never pressured by my parents with regards to my education nor did I ever put any stress on myself with studying, luckily the laissez faire attitude within my family allowed me to grow on my own phase and in turn became successful in my schooling. I've finished my two year of college and now working (quite well) to save up for the next two years.

In most Asian countries, a certain educational level must always be attained to get even entry level jobs so one can already realize what they expect on skilled positions and/or management positions. But we can't also disregard the existence of inspiring stories of people who succeed without diplomas or formal education.

I believe at the end of the day a piece of diploma and money spent on education does not equate to success if the person lacks the will to strive forward, education is an easy pass to the working society but it can be easily taken away to a person who does not work hard.

PS. Pressuring students to study I think is very counter productive, encouragement would be the best way. But to sons and daughters, rebelling and standing up for oneself are different things.

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby Lucia » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:44 pm

I think that university is a good way to enter life for ambitious people. I think it is no use to study things you don't like and don't really understand. Later not many people who had such an attitude to studies have work connected with their studies .
I heard a lot of stories when famous people had to finish some studies before they can seriously begin to do their career of an actress/actor or a singer as parents didn't allow them to do what they wanted after finishing school. Maybe by getting this degree they learnt more about life and got some experience. And it wasn't a waste of time. What do you think about it?

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby tremolove » Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:55 pm

Hi Arale !
In my opinion, University is not the only way to enter life, But it's the fastest and easiest way to do that !
In Viet Nam, somewhere, So many firms will look at your University diploma as a standard to evaluate your level, especially in Govement agency !

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby Krisi » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:51 am

Arale wrote:It seems the opinion of having a high degree is always great pressure for all students. Some parents force their children to pass the university entrance exam. So most high school students have to work hard at this time. They even don't have time to relax. Spending most day-time at school, they have to attend many other extra lessons at night. Many pupils at primary or secondary school have to study so much too. I feel sad for some students who must obey their parents' opinion to study what they don't like. It means they have to give up their dreams, their desires and take up a job they may feel bored all life. Studying at university is not the only way to step into life. We have various ways. Can you keep your own opinion to finish your dream? :roll:

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I cannot understand this topic you have created. You too had finished a degree. Are you not happy?

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby Krisi » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:55 am

We already entered life when we were born. This is the starting point of our struggle. How we look at things or events that comes our life makes the difference. Finishing our studies for me is a gateway that opens to a lot more of doors.

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Re: University-the only way to enter life?

Postby Krisi » Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:13 am

Krisi wrote:We already entered life when we were born. This is the starting point of our struggle. How we look at things or events that comes our life makes the difference. Finishing our studies for me is a gateway that opens to a lot more of doors.


And, I think our decisions in life will not be any better if we only knew things that are wrong we have to know the right and proper things about life and improve them in the passing of time. In life, there are a lot of things to know and a lot of things to study, we cannot only rely on what we hear, we also have to depend on what we think is right.


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