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Postby jeffcox » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:49 am

Women are by far the superior housekeeper. Because men have absolutely no interest in competing for that honour.

What's left for the men... work. Women are proving that they're equally competent in the workplace... and that really pisses the men off!

The workplace was where the men excelled; where he was superior in terms of ability. Women are challenging that role and men have nowhere to go... because nobody wants to look after the home and the kids anymore.

That's why maids and nannys are now the 'surrogate mother' of many modern families.

Both should have equal rights to work outside the home. So, maybe we should ask who will stay home and look after the kids!

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Postby PINA » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:05 am

Perhaps i've untypical family, but in my home i and my husband do homework togheter.
I stop to work at 16.00 p.m. and in the afternoon i help my sons with the study and accompany them in arena then come back at home and do my homework; my husband come at home at 19.00 and play with babies, while i cook a dinner.
After i help the babies to prepare for the night and my husband help me with homework. We are happy and we do togheter sometingh when the babies sleep......
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Postby hoanggia » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:42 am

hey heh dot get so easily irritated.Just something to discuss and raise the ideas !!! :lol:
i think it depends on the >>HUsbands.. :roll:

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Postby jeffcox » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:32 am

We could always leave the housework and the kids to their grandparents... they have so much free time on their hands... and experience... and they're cheaper than a maid or nanny! :lol:

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Postby saopalo » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:01 am

there are 2 ways for woman,I think::
FIrst.women like their husband and baby>>>So they prefer to stay at home than other things
SSecond,they are bussiness women<><><><>< ANd they of course show their ability.talent ore agility in their job..They aren't a good housewife :D\
However.I think women should stay at home..In VN,women must work to improve their life BUT In many developed countries AS USA,ENGLAND....WOmen don't need to work>>>IT's for their husband :shock:
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Postby Dixie » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:53 pm

saopalo wrote:there are 2 ways for woman,I think::
FIrst.women like their husband and baby>>>So they prefer to stay at home than other things
SSecond,they are bussiness women<><><><>< ANd they of course show their ability.talent ore agility in their job..They aren't a good housewife :D\
However.I think women should stay at home..In VN,women must work to improve their life BUT In many developed countries AS USA,ENGLAND....WOmen don't need to work>>>IT's for their husband :shock:
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So, according to you, women who have a job don't like their husband and kids?

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Postby Lalee » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:04 pm

I think that saying is stupid.
It's kind of surprising that many people still think that women should stay home while men should only work.
I think it really depends on each person. There are women who prefer staying home and taking care of everything around there. They don't do it because they have do it but they like it and there's nothing wrong with that. There are others who love working and dislike being housewives so they work and if they have children, they manage to take care of them by hiring a babysitter or they have a maid, etc.
As I said before, it really depends on each person. If they have the possibility to do it their way, why not then? Women don't have to become slaves at home just because society tells them to live that way.

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Postby Danyet » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:07 pm

Think about this!
In the Western countries (USA, Britain etc) women generally stayed home until World War II. During WWII women had to work at the jobs that the men used to do because all the men were fighting in the Army, Navy etc.
This war is what changed things!

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Postby Lalee » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:11 pm

danyet wrote:Think about this!
In the Western countries (USA, Britain etc) women generally stayed home until World War II. During WWII women had to work at the jobs that the men used to do because all the men were fighting in the Army, Navy etc.
This war is what changed things!

So you're saying that if World War II had never happened, women would continue staying home like they used to?

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Postby Danyet » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:37 pm

I am saying that WWII changed society.

The war brought a tremendous shortage of labor. Not only was there great demand for labor to build up the war machines necessary to fight, but the men were leaving civilian employment for military service in huge numbers. To fill the shortage, society could have gone back to child labor as in the preceding century. Instead, society asked women to fill the jobs (See Rosie the Riveter), and they rushed to take them. Was it patriotism and propaganda that made women find war jobs? Or was it money, independence, companionship, and pride in learning new skills that motivated them? "Women did change. They had gotten the feeling of their own money. Making it themselves. Not asking anybody how to spend it," said Naomi Craig, who was finally able to get a decent job because of the war when industry needed workers, regardless of their sex or color.
It was an emotional time to say the least. There was concern about women taking soldiers' jobs; worry about the effect on the family and anxiety about the breakdown of social values. War and full employment was incredibly liberating for women, but represented deep and provocative change in their traditional roles. The movies reflected this duality. War films like Since You Went Away and Mrs.Miniver showed faithful women doing volunteer work to support the war effort,keeping home fires burning, waiting for their men to return. But shortly after peace time, films like Double Indemnity and Gilda implied that the war had allowed women to "get out of hand," and that the "liberated woman" might be undermining traditional marriage and family.
http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/WWII_ ... nWWII.html

The war had an impact on women’s history by encouraging thousands of women to work outside the home for the first time, Professor Jane Scimeca told the March 9 Women’s History Month seminar that was sponsored by BCC’s Center for World War II Studies and Conflict

http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/News/20 ... e/018.html






In spite of pressure on women to give up their jobs after the war, the seeds of permanent change had been planted. Women began to question social and economic rules and demand equal access to educational and career options. By the 1980s, women had entered professional schools and careers--including journalism--in record numbers.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/wcf/wcf0004.html


http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/st/~cg3/outline.html

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Postby Hardi » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:46 pm

Yes women should stay home, but they should also work. They must be home with men and kids but they must also work in home.. that men can do more important things than work.

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Postby PINA » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:04 pm

Excuse me Hardy but you must have two or more wife if you want all.

I'm agree that women are more skillful than men, but with some limits.

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Postby saopalo » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:59 am

There are 2 ways for women:
First...women like staying at home with their husband and their child..SO they prefer to stay at home like a housewife AS easily
second,,women at business..They don't inspire in family and like to get married<<<<


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Postby babara » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:03 pm

I donT agree with that saying. Nowadays most women have ability as men and they can do duty better inside and out also. Women can show to world know outside is their place now.

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Postby jeffcox » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:07 pm

Does everybody agree that one parent should stay at home?

Danyet is correct in saying that it was WWII that started the revolution of women workers. Really, it started during WWI when there was a really crucial need for nurses. Although it didn't turn into a movement, it opened women's eyes to the possibility. Then WWII just gave them the way to put their desires into practice.

Research has shown that the family environment is a huge factor in such things as violence, crime and education. Divorce, for example, has been on the increase in the UK and the US since WWII... is there a connection with divorce and women working out of the home?

I think that one parent at home is very important; be it the husband or the wife.[/u]

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Postby Dixie » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:06 pm

jeffcox wrote:Does everybody agree that one parent should stay at home?



Why should one parent stay at home in the first place?

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Postby Danyet » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:32 pm

Dixie wrote:
jeffcox wrote:Does everybody agree that one parent should stay at home?



Why should one parent stay at home in the first place?


Maybe so the little brats don't stick their fingers in a light bulb socket or perhaps because they are not potty trained!

So if a parent is not looking after their kids it means:
1. The babies are not receiving adequate nutrition (ie breast milk)

2. The kids are being "looked after" by complete strangers who may or may not have the values that you want for your family.

3. Your children are bonding with someone else. They will are not bonding with you like they should be if you only see them for one hectic hour in the morning and a couple of hours before they go to bed at night.

4. The kid is open to child molestation. And don't think that that it won't happen to your kid!
And once it does happen there is nothing that you can do change things back to the way they used to be. Your child will be permanently scarred and you will be to blame for not providing a proper enviorment for the life that you are responsible for. Trust me, you don't want this heartache so why take the chance?

Do you really think that your life is about you and your career, once you have kids? It's not! It's about the kids.
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Postby Dixie » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:37 pm

danyet wrote:
Do you really think that your life is about you and your career, once you have kids? It's not! It's about the kids.


Of course it is, but my point is, none of us should quit our jobs to take care of the kids. About complete strangers taking care of them, no way! That's what grandparents are for :lol: :lol: (provided they are there, of course, which would be another subject...)

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Postby Danyet » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:54 pm

Your answer falls into category "1".

So, how many kids are the grandparents required to look after? 1 or 2 or 6 or 8?
If everyone gave their kids to their to grandma to look after it could be quite a handful for her. Not everyone has a grandma either.

Sure that's better than complete strangers but it is still not the ideal. Your kids still will not be getting breast milk but I guess your job is more important than a baby's health.

I mean, no one, not even "baby" is going to stop you from earning enough money for that extra High Definition Television Set for the bedroom, are they? Hmmmm?

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Postby Dixie » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:20 pm

I think we're talking about different things, Dave. Of course if the kids are so small as to need breast-feeding I would be around all the time! (plus there's maternity leave). I was talking about a lifetime: Why should one parent stay home and the other work when they both can do it?

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Re: A woman's place is at home

Postby lindalyl » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:23 pm

A woman has the same rights that a man and, if she wats to work, she doesn't have to stay at home looking forward their children. [Sorry if I have make mistakes :oops: ]


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