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Postby MissLT » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:38 pm

Tora wrote:not so long time ago I took a survey, it uncluded fifty-something questions concerning my viewpoints and beliefs, those ones eventually were to define what religion suits me... It turned out I'm very close to buddhism :D
I'm young to determine it, it will come one day or not...

I took it as well (probably not the same test, I guess), and it turned out I wasn't a Buddhist but a spiritual person. I found it "insulting" because I was darn sure I was a Buddhist. :lol: :lol:

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Postby Oriani » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:40 pm

Dixie wrote:
Oriani wrote: We all believe in God anyway !


Who's "we"?

Christian.... why???

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Postby Dixie » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:23 pm

Oriani wrote:Christian.... why???


Oh, I thought by "we" you meant "everybody" and I was just going to comment on that... sorry :D

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Postby TuanAnVu » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:37 pm

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illusion wrote:I'm also a catholic but I don't really read the Bible.
Then you are probably a Catholic but not a Christian.
It is up to you to study scripture......not your priest!

Catholics are Christians in a sense. You all believe in Jesus Christ.
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I'm also a Catholic. Could you help me distinguish Catholics and Chirstians?. Hic, I wondered this question for a long time but I haven't any chance to express it. I expect your reply. Thanks.

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Postby MissLT » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:09 pm

TuanAnVu wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:
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illusion wrote:I'm also a catholic but I don't really read the Bible.
Then you are probably a Catholic but not a Christian.
It is up to you to study scripture......not your priest!

Catholics are Christians in a sense. You all believe in Jesus Christ.
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I'm also a Catholic. Could you help me distinguish Catholics and Chirstians?. Hic, I wondered this question for a long time but I haven't any chance to express it. I expect your reply. Thanks.

Vietnamese, right? Catholic is nguoi Cong Giao and Christian is nguoi Tin Lanh. I think you know the difference, right?

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Postby TuanAnVu » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:57 pm

Vietnamese, right? Catholic is nguoi Cong Giao and Christian is nguoi Tin Lanh. I think you know the difference, right?


I know the difference between Cong Giao and Tin Lanh. But Christian means Co Doc Giao as we translate it into Vietnamese. I don't know about Co Doc Giao. Please tell me the simplest thing to realise it.

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Postby MissLT » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:04 pm

Co Doc Giao is different. Christianity means dao Thien Chua, which means all branches believe in one God and Jesus Christ even though they have their differences. Christians (in general term) are people who believe in Christ. That's why I said I don't really see the differences between Catholics and Christians.

Never mind, cross the first two lines out. I didn't know Christianity means Co Doc Giao in Vietnamese. I just called it Thien Chua Giao.

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Postby vince90 » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:34 pm

May be I am wrong but to me “Co Doc Giao” and “Tin Lanh” are the same. Just another way to cal "Tin Lanh". The different between "Cong Giao" (Roman Catholic) " and the others is “Cong Giao” believes in Virgin Mary and the others don’t,. The priest in "Cong Giao" not allow to married but the others do.

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Postby Danyet » Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:02 pm

The reason Many Christians don't call Catholics "Christian" is because the Catholic Curch started in Rome, some 300 years after the first Christians appeared, at the time of Constantine who adopted Christianity as Romes state religion, where it became corrupted.

These Catholics introduced a mixture of pagan and Christian beliefs into their new religion. Some of these things were the introduction of the pagan holy day Sunday as the new day of worship instead of Saturday.
Easter.
Lent.
Christmas.
And the worship and praying to Mary and saints.

All of these things have roots in the pagan world.

Catholic priest also claimed to be able forgive other people's sins and actually charged fees for the "service". They also forbid the people to read the Bible and only the Priests were allowed to have a copy of the Bible. (Very few priests had copies of the Bible and even less had read it!) Regular people were killed as heretics for reading the Bible in those days.

Catholics also claim that their Pope is Christ's representative on Earth and that therefore the Catholic Church is the only authoritive body on Earth. For this reason the Catholics slaughtered an estimated 50 million innocent men women and children during the Inquisition. Many wre horribly tortured or buned alive, some were burned so slowly that it could be said that they were slowly cooked to death.

Fortunately in the 16th century during "The Reformation" people began to read the Bible for themselves and began to break away from this evil church.

These reasons and more are why Catholics are not considered true Christians by many. After all, who, after knowing all these things about the Catholics, would anyone want to stay in that religion?

Even so, there are many good poeple who are Catholics. I just don't know why they remain in such a church!

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Postby shigore » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:06 am

I want to ask you one question?
did you read the holy koran?

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Postby jakeson » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:35 am

My country, the Philippines, is the only Catholic nation in Asia and the third largest Catholic nation in the world after Brazil and Mexico. There are some 70 million Catholics in the Philippines, and I’m blessed to be one of them.

It must be noted that in Sacrament of Reconciliation or popularly known as confession, it’s not the priest who forgives sins and DEFINITELY no collection is made for it. “What you held bound on earth shall be bound in heaven,” Jesus has spoken in the bible. This is the foundation of Catholic’s Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Catholicism and Christianity are inseparable. But it doesn’t always follow that when you are a Christian, you are Catholic. There are so many denominations in Christianity but all believing in Christ as God and Savior; thus, called Christian, followers of Christ.

It must be noted that icons and statues are not worshipped. They serve as a reminder, just like when you have a picture of your loved ones in your wallet. You are reminded that they are present; they exist and could serve as your inspiration.

We don’t worship Blessed Virgin Mary. We honor Mary for her “yes” to being the Mother of Jesus. We ask for her to intercede to our prayers.

Now, there’s a difference between veneration and worshipping. It must be noted.

The gist of all of these things is respect to what others believe. If you’re Islam, Buddhist, Protestant, go on with your faith. It’s not insulting or mocking what one believes to be his way to salvation. After all, religion is just but a guide to achieving the final destination, and that is to be in communion with his Creator.

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Postby Danyet » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:02 pm

Firstly, there is nothing written in the Bible that tells us to venerate anyone includung Mary, As a matter of a fact Mary is barely mentioned at all.

Secondly, there is nothing at all in the Bible mentioned about Mary acting as an intercessor for prayers. That is just plain looney! Where are you Bible quotes for that? Hmmm?

Thirdly, Whether or not you believe that priests can forgive sin doesn't change the fact that for centuries priests charged the people a fee for "Cofession".

If you did just a little research on your religion you would have found that catholicism is steeped in pagan roots and then perhaps begun your search for real truth.
If you knew just a fraction of lies spread and the atrocity caused by the Roman Catholic church you would find a better church unconnected with such despicable behaviour. It amazes me that this church has any members left at all, given the availability of the facts and knowlegde in general these days.

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Postby Danyet » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:09 pm

shigore wrote:I want to ask you one question?
did you read the holy koran?
I have read enough to know that the Koran is a boring fairytale for the simple minded and it's accompanying Hadith is for morons!

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Postby Pearl » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:00 am

danyet wrote:
shigore wrote:I want to ask you one question?
did you read the holy koran?
I have read enough to know that the Koran is a boring fairytale for the simple minded and it's accompanying Hadith is for morons!


dear danyet,

you read holly koran on the website, and there a lot of them make own website and writting anything ...


better for you getting holly quran from ksa

bye
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Postby jakeson » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:39 am

[quote="danyet"]Firstly, there is nothing written in the Bible that tells us to venerate anyone includung Mary, As a matter of a fact Mary is barely mentioned at all.

Secondly, there is nothing at all in the Bible mentioned about Mary acting as an intercessor for prayers. That is just plain looney! Where are you Bible quotes for that? Hmmm?

Thirdly, Whether or not you believe that priests can forgive sin doesn't change the fact that for centuries priests charged the people a fee for "Cofession".

If you did just a little research on your religion you would have found that catholicism is steeped in pagan roots and then perhaps begun your search for real truth.
If you knew just a fraction of lies spread and the atrocity caused by the Roman Catholic church you would find a better church unconnected with such despicable behaviour. It amazes me that this church has any members left at all, given the availability of the facts and knowlegde in general these days.[/quote]

I guess, I need not argue. If that's your opinion, let it be. You, coming from US, I'm not surprised. Religion is fading fast in that part of the world. It's a crime to hurt a dog, but it's legal to abort babies. I say sorry to some Americans, but that's the reality.

Go to the Philippines and experience how Catholicism is so much alive.

I need not do research to know the origin of my religion. I've learned so much in the seminary, pal. And nobody can shatter my faith, not even you.

Watch out, little knowledge is dangerous.

About Blessed Virgin Mary? I'm just very blessed to have that love for her.


Luke 1.46–55

Canticle of Mary

My soul magnifies the Lord,
and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour,
for he has looked with favour on the lowliness of his servant.
Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
for the Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.
His mercy is for those who fear him
from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts.
He has brought down the powerful from their thrones,
and lifted up the lowly;
he has filled the hungry with good things,
and sent the rich away empty.
He has helped his servant Israel,
in remembrance of his mercy,
according to the promise he made to our ancestors,
to Abraham and to his descendants for ever.

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Postby Danyet » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:51 am

Your canticle of mary has nothing to do with Mary!

USA is probably more religious than Philipines, as most catholics do not even know what the Bible says because they have not studied it, you included. As a matter of fact you sound just as looney and brainwashed as the Muslims here on this forum. There is little difference between them and you. They refuse to do research too.

Do not think that you have Biblical knowledge just because you study in a seminary, particularly a catholic one.

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Postby MissLT » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:51 am

jakeson wrote:
I guess, I need not argue. If that's your opinion, let it be. You, coming from US, I'm not surprised. Religion is fading fast in that part of the world. It's a crime to hurt a dog, but it's legal to abort babies. I say sorry to some Americans, but that's the reality.

Religions are fading fast in most part of the world. This is why atheist population is growing (I'm not gonna argue about atheism since in my opinion there is no such thing).

Anyway, back to the topic, it's still really not legal for abortion. Bush Administration has been trying to ban it with little success, though. A woman has a right to do what's right for her body and condition. No government should interfere. Your example about dogs and fetuses are like apples and oranges, to me. I don't see the relation.

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Postby jakeson » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:21 am

[quote="danyet"]Your canticle of mary has nothing to do with Mary!

USA is probably more religious than Philipines, as most catholics do not even know what the Bible says because they have not studied it, you included. As a matter of fact you sound just as looney and brainwashed as the Muslims here on this forum. There is little difference between them and you. They refuse to do research too.

Do not think that you have Biblical knowledge just because you study in a seminary, particularly a catholic one.[/quote]

All right. All right. This is not a battle of who is smarter or who is dumber. Whatever you said, let it be.

I know myself, I know what I know, and I know how deep my faith is and I need not prove you that.

And, oh, don't be misguided by just merely hearsay.

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Postby Danyet » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:22 am

jakeson wrote: I know how deep my faith is and I need not prove you that.

Muslims know how deep their faith is too. So what does that really mean, nothing. You both can't be right, so having faith without knowledge is meaningless ....this is what the problem is in the world today.
Oh, and by the way, the Bible rather silent about abortion and ambiguous about when life begins so the catholic doctrine in abortion is just that....catholic doctrine. You have no right to judge people in America as being not very christian very over this issue.

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Postby jakeson » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:13 am

[quote="danyet"][quote="jakeson"] I know how deep my faith is and I need not prove you that.

[/quote]Muslims know how deep their faith is too. So what does that really mean, nothing. You both can't be right, so having faith without knowledge is meaningless ....this is what the problem is in the world today.
Oh, and by the way, the Bible rather silent about abortion and ambiguous about when life begins so the catholic doctrine in abortion is just that....catholic doctrine. You have no right to judge people in America as being not very christian very over this issue.[/quote]

Okay. Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.

And by the way, don't be too over reacting on what others believe in. You have also no right to judge other's faith. The best and the greatest thing you can do is to respect them.

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Postby andes » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:49 am

all i know about bible is just:
it will tell you the truth and the way of eternal life in the name of Jesus christ...


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