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Postby niceghost » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:48 pm

Hardi.im talking about the western. r u? OK even u r western , it doesnt mean im wrong, just like u i mention the polite ones not the impolite.
compare to vietnamese men , western men are more gentle and romantic. i think u wont agree because u r not vietnamese.
im not critising my country's men but its the custom( western costums make them more polite); asian style is more nonverbal. they often dont express their thought or love by action.
for ex its normal or a duty to give your lady flowers in western but not many men can do this in vietnam even to his wife, except some who are influented by western style.
another example: not many men beat his wife in western countries ( they will be sent to prison) but here in vn, especially in the countryside its comepletely opposite. of course they wont hit lady by rose , they hit by mental.

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Postby Hardi » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:13 pm

Somewhere else is allways better. birds sing nicer, grass is more green... whatever :mrgreen:

I'm Estonian man. It's in northern Europe. So I'm probably westerner. Estonian are sometime said to be cold and very closed people. But that just stereotype and I would not make there generalisations. But that shows, that westerners stereotype can be also opposite for what you told. Also Estonian women often complain that Estonian men are not good... I think they just haven't meet me yet :lol:

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Postby MissLT » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:26 am

linhto wrote:You only have the Vietnamese government to blame, no one else. They're the decayed roots of this problem.
I can't understand why

Because they are the cause of why most Vietnamese girls think money is the only essential in life, nothing else matter.

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Postby MissLT » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:32 am

niceghost wrote: why do we blame vietnamese goverment, not ourself?

Because it's easier to blame others than to blame ourselves. :twisted: Nah, just joking with you! I blame them because some Vietnamese girls accept arranged marriages because of money. The economy is that weak, and the government is that corrupted that it can't even take care of the citizens. Vietnamese people have to be on their own for everything. Have you ever heard of welfare? Have you ever heard of medical care? Have you ever heard of grants? Et cetera. Vietnamese don't have none of those things. It's the survivor of the fittest. And the fittest tries to get the foreign husband through an arranged marriage, so the fittest can live a better life and go shopping more often. Now can we blame the government?

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Postby linhto » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:25 am

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linhto wrote:You only have the Vietnamese government to blame, no one else. They're the decayed roots of this problem.
I can't understand why

Because they are the cause of why most Vietnamese girls think money is the only essential in life, nothing else matter.

I don't think so .You said most Vietnmese girls think money is the only essential in life. Are you sure about that? Do you like money.If you marry a very poor man,will you be happy?

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Postby MissLT » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:11 am

I would be liar if I said I didn't like money. I love money, in fact. I can do so many things in life with money, not just for my own comfortableness but also to help others in Third World countries to start their businesses. Money talks, ~ walks! However, I'm not a slave of money. I'm not in a situation of making enough just for today and starting to worry what tomorrow would be. A lot of women in Vietnam are in this place. This is why they choose to marry foreigners through arranged marriages. Do you know what arranged marriages mean? I think you've heard the cases of poor Vietnamese girls get married to Taiwanese guys, for example, and get abused there. A low percentage of the girls get treated well, though. One person I know is the case.

Her family was poor. She was a timid person who never dated any guy in her whole life. She was still a virgin at age 30-ish. You may find that normal, but not to me. Then she got married to a Taiwanese guy after meeting him for two weeks. She learned the language in that two weeks and after coming to Taiwan. Fortunately, she got married to a polite and well-mannered guy. He treated her well and so was his family. Her family got enough money she sent from Taiwan to live a better life.

Her marriage was basically business! How many of this kinda marriage do Vietnamese girls have to do because of the condition the government can provide to the citizens? Who can we blame, the girls who learn to love money because of what they've gone through or the government that can't do ~ to help the citizens?

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Postby Hardi » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:09 am

It's law of nature that female choose strongest, most capable and sustainable partner.. so too also humans.. But human mind is too corrupted by their own stupidity. And they often choose wrong.. Cos how someone could like a guy from USA? They are all much uglier and fatter than I... And half of time they are somewhere away to save the world and defend the universe. :twisted:

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Postby MissLT » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:00 pm

Hardi wrote:It's law of nature that female choose strongest, most capable and sustainable partner.. so too also humans.. But human mind is too corrupted by their own stupidity. And they often choose wrong.. Cos how someone could like a guy from USA? They are all much uglier and fatter than I... And half of time they are somewhere away to save the world and defend the universe. :twisted:

Speaking for myself, I do think European guys are hotter than American guys. Look at Europeans' soccer teams and compare them to American's. Yuck! What an ugly team! (just joking, guys! Keep on losing!) :twisted:

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Postby Hardi » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:54 pm

LennyeTran wrote:Speaking for myself, I do think European guys are hotter than American guys. Look at Europeans' soccer teams and compare them to American's. Yuck! What an ugly team! (just joking, guys! Keep on losing!) :twisted:
Well I think, there is a high mathematical probabilistic that u are today cute... since last time I saw u, then u was not... Therefor I would not tell anything to you, until my math tells me, that u are a horrible ugly bitch again. Because otherwise it may happen that I say something nice to you and that's not tolerable for me.

...Yet it's very difficult to shut up. I don't understand why u talk about those soccer teams? Don't u know, that I don't play footpall and I hate sport? I even don't like if the sun lights also to others. I want it shining only to me.. I have a big problem with that. Why the hell it shines to American's at night?.. Look how much fatter most Americans are, they waste it all, with those big bodies.. It's so unfair.. And now what to you think, how I could react, if reading that u like to watch some soccer team instead of me? I'm so mad to you. :x

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Postby MissLT » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:03 pm

Hardi wrote: Well I think, there is a high mathematical probabilistic that u are today cute... since last time I saw u, then u was not... Therefor I would not tell anything to you, until my math tells me, that u are a horrible ugly bitch again. Because otherwise it may happen that I say something nice to you and that's not tolerable for me.

What on earth are you talking about? I'm always nice to you, EVERY DAY! :roll:

Hardi wrote:. And now what to you think, how I could react, if reading that u like to watch some soccer team instead of me? I'm so mad to you. :x

:lol: :lol: For how long?

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Postby caronte » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:58 am

I read for the first time this subject and I admit having been estonished. I'm an italian man and so western but latin. I believe you have to contextualize your wiews,each country have his own culture, habits,history and economic situation, but we must remember something. In facts we,westerns,at present time,we carry values like democracy,brotherhood,mdernity and solidarity,but what kind of people we were until 40 years ago?
For centuries we exploited the rest of the world,imperialism and colonialism are our creatures.
Lennye please study some history instead eating pop corn, the US bombed Viet Nam for many years,burning forests with napalm,butching children and raping women. And now your president, ex alcoholist and christian fondamentalist,wants to export democracy....
Cicero, a old latin philosopher once said "Quam parva mens regit potentia mundi",at present I perceive he was right. We,western,we must make our apologies to these people and help them with solidarity,not charity wich is a subtle form of racism.God bless you
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Postby MissLT » Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:18 am

caronte wrote:Lennye please study some history instead eating pop corn, the US bombed Viet Nam for many years,burning forests with napalm,butching children and raping women. And now your president, ex alcoholist and christian fondamentalist,wants to export democracy....

And what does it have to do with this topic? :?

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Postby caronte » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:24 pm

Lennye I believe that my last message, at the opposite, is closely involved to this topic, particularly when you affirme that vietnameses should blame their goverments of having devastate their country.
Take in mind,please,that, before US,France had generously accomplied this task.
Anyway I think americans can't give life lessons,as they believe. We saw the last half century as US had political and economical supremacy and consequentely the distasters occurred.
You talk,then,about welfare,but wich welfare? yours?
A nation very rich with 40 millions of poors,without basic healthcare.The answer is,in my opinion,that america monetizes all,even sentiments.But values like dignity,solidarity,real friendship are economical worthless and no money can buy them, is for this that almost all countries in the world don't respect America.
Morevore you are satisfied to have a mediocre president exporting democracy.....George can't forget
what he has never known.
God bless america
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Postby MissLT » Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:42 pm

caronte wrote:Lennye I believe that my last message, at the opposite, is closely involved to this topic, particularly when you affirme that vietnameses should blame their goverments of having devastate their country.
Take in mind,please,that, before US,France had generously accomplied this task.

Before the U.S we WERE COLONIZED by French. There was no South or North Vietnamese governments. We were just a part of Indo-China or whatever the name the French called us. This is why my grandpa joined the Viet Minh to fight with the French, but not the Viet Cong. How could you compare apples and oranges? :?

caronte wrote:Anyway I think americans can't give life lessons,as they believe. We saw the last half century as US had political and economical supremacy and consequentely the distasters occurred.

And? Does it mean Vietnamese can blame them for their poverty? The guy in this original poster's topic is a jerk due to his stereotype. Trust me, this kinda people is everywhere in EVERY culture. I dare to use the absolute word here. The bottom line is, why do people have stereotypes? Stereotypes happen because there's a small percentage of people of certain groups do certain things, which give people a sense of how the whole culture is.

I am a Vietnamese girl; I would be offended if someone comes to my face and tells me I'm a gold digger, because there are some Vietnamese girls who are like that. However, I'm not gonna be irritated by that person ONLY. I will take a look why that person said it. Racism, stereotype, prejudice, or we do indeed have our own problems? You can't just hate someone for saying something without taking a look why.


caronte wrote:You talk,then,about welfare,but wich welfare? yours?
A nation very rich with 40 millions of poors,without basic healthcare.The answer is,in my opinion,that america monetizes all,even sentiments.But values like dignity,solidarity,real friendship are economical worthless and no money can buy them, is for this that almost all countries in the world don't respect America.

Let me just tell one one thing and you google it on the net to check, okay. Poor Americans are nowhere near poor Vietnamese. No one really understands what poverty means if they haven't lived in a Third World country. I'm sure you don't know how poor could a poor person be in a Third World country.

caronte wrote: Morevore you are satisfied to have a mediocre president exporting democracy.....George can't forget
what he has never known.
God bless america
Caronte

I don't know where the heck you've got this from my posts, but I don't have time to care.

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Postby linhto » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:25 am

To Lenny Tran
I think you are unjustice.You don't live in Vietnam so you can know how has we tried to improve citizen's lives, to improve our policy ... Ưe all know everything you said but it's not all about Viet Nam .Somebody is poor because of much reason.It's so hard for us to find out the main problem.So why don't you help them without complaining.

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Postby Hardi » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:29 am

Well Lennye, Now when I know it would offense you. It would be logical, that I would like to tell you that u are a gold digger, but somehow I don't.. Maybe it's because I know, that actually u dig Caucasian men there not gold.. So I better tell you, that you are a Caucasian men digger... and when I looking all these silver rings and stuff u wear, then I'm sure u dig also silver beside of Caucasian men.. Maybe u even own a silver mine there? I only hope u don't dig in graveyard :twisted:

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Postby MissLT » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:09 pm

linhto wrote:To Lenny Tran
I think you are unjustice.You don't live in Vietnam so you can know how has we tried to improve citizen's lives, to improve our policy ... Ưe all know everything you said but it's not all about Viet Nam .Somebody is poor because of much reason.It's so hard for us to find out the main problem.So why don't you help them without complaining.

Then why don't you try to sit down and dissect the problems? How could you find out something if you don't bother to analyze why things happened? You think the "yeah, man, we have a problem!" is enough? And since you're not complaining, you must be doing something to help. Tell me, what have you done so far for Vietnam?

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Postby MissLT » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:12 pm

Hardi wrote:Well Lennye, Now when I know it would offense you. It would be logical, that I would like to tell you that u are a gold digger, but somehow I don't.. Maybe it's because I know, that actually u dig Caucasian men there not gold.. So I better tell you, that you are a Caucasian men digger... and when I looking all these silver rings and stuff u wear, then I'm sure u dig also silver beside of Caucasian men.. Maybe u even own a silver mine there? I only hope u don't dig in graveyard :twisted:

I do love other men beside Caucasian. Did you see the Asian guy I have a crush on? Well, I guess you haven't then. He's a yummy pie to me. And silver rings digger? :lol:

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Postby Hardi » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:52 pm

No I haven't seen that guy, but that's not because I haven't had spectacles. It's because I just haven't seen him.. though he's surely a shorty one.. and then I really would need spectacles to see him.. but what I was actually want to say you, is that he need to visit the doctor to check his eyes.. to be saved.

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Postby caronte » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:44 pm

I believe to have been misunderstood , maybe depends on my poor english.Anyway if I offended someone I beg sincerely your pardon.But issues remain unsolved.
In my opinion is too easy generalise problems on focusing about relationships between single persons.
History is generated by history and we have the deep moral obligation in looking for true.
The actual vietnamese situation is the outcome of several factors,some of them are old,other are more recently, as we said in other messages,and regarding frenc and american wars. But let me point out two topics:
- first, the vietnamese goverment did a lot of mystakes but no one moved a finger to help it,on the contrary;
-second,this country in past years developed in a impressive manner,for example,the best stock exchange in the world (in terms of performance)was the vietnamese one in 2006.
These are not stereotypes but facts.But we,westerns,we have too much arrogance for admitting that, and too linked in an historical wiew based only on economic successful. I work into financial markets and I learned there the depth meaningful of being pitiless.
Anyway,even not requested,I confirm my modest evaluation on George W. Bush: he's unfit to lead US and, friendly speaking,is a little bit stupid too.
Finally, the answer about welfare confirms my opinion: it is incredible that the richest world's country could have 40 millions of poors at a lot of problems with basic healtcare,my God we are in America, not in dustbin country like Viet Nam.
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Postby MissLT » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:15 am

Hardi wrote:No I haven't seen that guy, but that's not because I haven't had spectacles. It's because I just haven't seen him.. though he's surely a shorty one.. and then I really would need spectacles to see him.. but what I was actually want to say you, is that he need to visit the doctor to check his eyes.. to be saved.

Although it's true, I'm still a bit offended. Nothing is wrong with a guy being short since I'm short myself. We'll be a cute match. Besides, I love short and/or chubby guys. They're so huggable like teddy bears. :twisted:


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