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Internet grocery shopping! What do you think?

Postby Shazzam » Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:48 am

I was in a supermarket the other day and this elderly gentleman approached a store clerk and asked them if:

1. They did home delivery;

and

2. Did they have internet shopping available.

:shock:

Firstly I was astonished at a man well over the age of 60 asking about such technology; and secondly that it existed.

I have seen adds on television for refrigerators that offer the facility for internet shopping (but I have to admit I can't understand how it works).

I am assuming that you can program your fridge to make up a shopping list and e-mail the store and give them that list and then it will be home delivered!

Has anyone else heard of this; or know anyone that uses this system. Absolutely amazing isn't it!

Unfortunately I can see some downsides to this program. Firstly it is a social event going to the shops (especially for older people) and also you have to consider how many errors can be made with one persons shopping list; and their credit card details would have to be made available to complete the purchase.

Interesting though!!

8) :? :shock:
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Postby shokin » Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:00 am

My opinions about buying by internet :

1. Security, safety ? really ? would you give you card numbers ?

2. By internet you cannot hear, see, touch, smell the people (by forum for example). That is the same with products. You have to be sure that the products is really what you want, and ensure yourself about its quality.

3. Totally against if the product is brought at your home door. Sedentarity is bad for health. You are losing your mobility.

4. I usually encouraged the local products, and if the products are local, you can walk to the local shop.

5. Once more, it is one incitation to consuming.

6. Will you become more internet-addicted ?

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Postby Hardi » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:28 am

Once I bought web hosting service from Internet.. It was so simple and convenient.. better I don't use it more, because else I probably got bankrupt quickly... I mean U can waste all your money so easily and quickly. But I think it's safe. The webstore forwarding me to e-pank where I log in with ID-card and... There is not so big secure risks, even if computer is infected with some keylogers. the bin code is useless without id-card and opposite...

Probably I never don't want buy food from Internet. because "HELL to I can understand in picture, is it eatable or not".

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Postby frengo » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:57 pm

shokin wrote:My opinions about buying by internet :

1. Security, safety ? really ? would you give you card numbers ?

Really! If they use the right technology (trust me, I am a computer specialist). Furthermore, think about this: if you give your credit card to the human selling you some goods in a shop, how can you be sure he/she is not going to clone it under the counter? Or simply copying the numbers from the paper strip? Actually you can't, and in fact this has happened and continues to happen... so the real question is: "credit card yes or no?" regardless of the use on Internet.

2. By internet you cannot hear, see, touch, smell the people (by forum for example). That is the same with products. You have to be sure that the products is really what you want, and ensure yourself about its quality.

I agree, but just at 50%. Think about buying highly-standardized goods made by a well known brand... no problems in that case.

3. Totally against if the product is brought at your home door. Sedentarity is bad for health. You are losing your mobility.

Too quick, Shokin... I guess you have never been alone in your house, unable to move due to some kind of severe injury, otherwise you would consider differently this aspect! :wink:

4. I usually encouraged the local products, and if the products are local, you can walk to the local shop.

Not all local products are available at the corner of your street. For example, I love some typical italian foods that are not available in my town: I have to order them directly from the region where they are produced... yum! :idea:

5. Once more, it is one incitation to consuming.

I don't think so... this way of buying goods is not pushing on the quantity, IMHO.

6. Will you become more internet-addicted ?

It's just a different way to buy, and in some case the only one for those with particular problems, or for particular products (I buy goods in USA paying less than in Italy, every now and then, includign shipping!). Once again, I must say it's a matter of consciousness: choosing to use an instrument, knowing exactly its points of strength and weakness. This doesn't necessarily mean being slave of it!



Anyway, i will never buy a refrigerator that can order food himself! :D

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Re: Internet shopping; what do you think!

Postby MissLT » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:42 pm

shazzam1452 wrote: I am assuming that you can program your fridge to make up a shopping list and e-mail the store and give them that list and then it will be home delivered!


Yup! Some grocery stores in the States have home delivery. My boyfriend did it once, and he told me the feeling was funny. Well, the reason he asked for delivery was because he wanted to see how fast they would do it, and they did a pretty amazing job. I think this is for people who work nonstop (yes, I believe there are people like this out there), and/or whatever reason.
Anyway, I still don't think why anyone would wanna order grocery online. To me, it just sounds beyond silly. Kids are getting fat day by day because their parents can't get up their rear-ends to go for grocery shopping :roll: . Fatness is genetic, you know.

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Postby MissLT » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:48 pm

shokin wrote: My opinions about buying by internet :

1. Security, safety ? really ? would you give you card numbers ?

You can sue the company if your credit card number is being stolen or your privacy information get leaked out. When you buy something online, that service always promise under the law they won't share your information to a third party company. If you don't see that note, don't push yourself to buy it; otherwise, it's your own fault since they didn't promise such thing.

shokin wrote: 2. By internet you cannot hear, see, touch, smell the people (by forum for example). That is the same with products. You have to be sure that the products is really what you want, and ensure yourself about its quality.

You can ask for your money back or sue the company if your food was delivery in bad condition. It's their job to make sure what you get will be in best quality. It's also a part of their company's reputation.

shokin wrote: 3. Totally against if the product is brought at your home door. Sedentarity is bad for health. You are losing your mobility.

This I agree. If you can get the energy to eat, get the energy to go buy food.

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Postby shokin » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:37 pm

frengo wrote:
shokin wrote:My opinions about buying by internet :

1. Security, safety ? really ? would you give you card numbers ?

Really! If they use the right technology (trust me, I am a computer specialist). Furthermore, think about this: if you give your credit card to the human selling you some goods in a shop, how can you be sure he/she is not going to clone it under the counter? Or simply copying the numbers from the paper strip? Actually you can't, and in fact this has happened and continues to happen... so the real question is: "credit card yes or no?" regardless of the use on Internet.

2. By internet you cannot hear, see, touch, smell the people (by forum for example). That is the same with products. You have to be sure that the products is really what you want, and ensure yourself about its quality.

I agree, but just at 50%. Think about buying highly-standardized goods made by a well known brand... no problems in that case.

3. Totally against if the product is brought at your home door. Sedentarity is bad for health. You are losing your mobility.

Too quick, Shokin... I guess you have never been alone in your house, unable to move due to some kind of severe injury, otherwise you would consider differently this aspect! :wink:

4. I usually encouraged the local products, and if the products are local, you can walk to the local shop.

Not all local products are available at the corner of your street. For example, I love some typical italian foods that are not available in my town: I have to order them directly from the region where they are produced... yum! :idea:

5. Once more, it is one incitation to consuming.

I don't think so... this way of buying goods is not pushing on the quantity, IMHO.

6. Will you become more internet-addicted ?

It's just a different way to buy, and in some case the only one for those with particular problems, or for particular products (I buy goods in USA paying less than in Italy, every now and then, includign shipping!). Once again, I must say it's a matter of consciousness: choosing to use an instrument, knowing exactly its points of strength and weakness. This doesn't necessarily mean being slave of it!



Anyway, i will never buy a refrigerator that can order food himself! :D


Actually I generally avoid to pay by card. I take money at the bank, and pay "cash".

How can you be sure of the quality ? even if the firm is wellknown.

And again I say : if you are mobile, if you can move, you can use your energy, your body, talk to people, what you cannot do by internet. A greater use of internet is a danger for social and human relations.

I suppose that not the majority of people have a restricted mobility. And people with mobility can help people without mobility. Giving this access, this possibility of being given products at home door will encourage mobile people to stay at home, then to become less mobile.

I interprete the "using internet as a solution" as a refuse of human contacts. Either refusing talking or refusing being helped (and helping). Where is solidarity ? under individualismus ?

Aren't you mobile, Frengo ? :mrgreen:

No moving is a factor of obesity, of laziness, of ... vicious circle.

I think about when internet did not exist. People were more self-made. I won't believe that internet is necessary for finding food. A refuse of going out, the law of the "least effort".

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Postby shokin » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:46 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
shokin wrote: My opinions about buying by internet :

1. Security, safety ? really ? would you give you card numbers ?

You can sue the company if your credit card number is being stolen or your privacy information get leaked out. When you buy something online, that service always promise under the law they won't share your information to a third party company. If you don't see that note, don't push yourself to buy it; otherwise, it's your own fault since they didn't promise such thing.


Since when promise are respected by the liberal ?

LennyeTran wrote:
shokin wrote: 2. By internet you cannot hear, see, touch, smell the people (by forum for example). That is the same with products. You have to be sure that the products is really what you want, and ensure yourself about its quality.

You can ask for your money back or sue the company if your food was delivery in bad condition. It's their job to make sure what you get will be in best quality. It's also a part of their company's reputation.


It is maybe their job, but is it really important for them ?

And if you simply don't like the product (which is even of good quality) ?

Like I said to Frengo, you miss the human contact. And human contact is something that we miss terribly nowadays.

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shokin wrote: 3. Totally against if the product is brought at your home door. Sedentarity is bad for health. You are losing your mobility.

This I agree. If you can get the energy to eat, get the energy to go buy food.


Good ! mobility, sport and good nutrition ! Sedentarity is the worst for health. Solitude is the worst for human contacts.

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Postby Shazzam » Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:40 pm

I love FRENGO'S answer. "I would never buy a refridgerator that can buy food for itself."

It conjures up all sorts of ideas doesn't it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby MissLT » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:04 pm

shokin wrote: Since when promise are respected by the liberal ?

I think you have no problem to check this fact yourself, don't you?

shokin wrote: It is maybe their job, but is it really important for them ?

If you think handling out bad quality products, so people would spread words about how you do your service, I don't think you even have a slight theory about business is supposed to be like. Please don't ask such this question to me :roll: .

shokin wrote: And if you simply don't like the product (which is even of good quality) ?

Read your question again, Shokin, I'm asking you. Does it sound anywhere near sensibility? Can you blame on people when you buy the products that you don't like even they're in good condition? If you think you can, I have no word to say. No word :roll: .

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Postby shokin » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:25 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
shokin wrote: And if you simply don't like the product (which is even of good quality) ?

Read your question again, Shokin, I'm asking you. Does it sound anywhere near sensibility? Can you blame on people when you buy the products that you don't like even they're in good condition? If you think you can, I have no word to say. No word :roll: .


No, I would blame on myself.

But I've more chances to choose a product that I like IN a concrete shop (house) than on the web.

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Postby MissLT » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:42 pm

shokin wrote: No, I would blame on myself.

But I've more chances to choose a product that I like IN a concrete shop (house) than on the web.

Shokin

Okay darling, now since we're both on the same page, let's talk about what you're saying above. We're talking about grocery right now, okay. Well, for what I know, people don't just pick any type of food online. They do that in a grocery supermarket to try for new brand, etc.. The reason why is because I believe people are not that oblivious to realize that they can't try things online; therefore, they only choose what they're familiar with. Also, they only buy what they need in their fridge. Are you with me on this one?
Next, don't forget about pictures and descriptions. They're pretty much in details to let you know what the products are supposed to be like. They're doing the best they can to inform to you about the products. If you read them, have doubts, but still wanna try and then get disappointed later, I don't think you can blame on them. If you're suspicious about what you're buying, don't buy it. Internet services are mostly for convenience and maybe price, but not for something like you're asking for above. Human contact, conversation, blah blah blah, forget about all that stuff when you deal with stuff online. Things in life are not only black and white, there's a gray shade in between, and sometimes we stand in that gray shade once in awhile in our lives, I must remind you.

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Postby Shazzam » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:29 am

I think that internet shopping would benefit people that are homebound and have to rely on others (sick or elderly).

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Postby shokin » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:00 am

LennyeTran wrote:Next, don't forget about pictures and descriptions. They're pretty much in details to let you know what the products are supposed to be like. They're doing the best they can to inform to you about the products. If you read them, have doubts, but still wanna try and then get disappointed later, I don't think you can blame on them. If you're suspicious about what you're buying, don't buy it. Internet services are mostly for convenience and maybe price, but not for something like you're asking for above.


Pictures are often different from the reality, do you know ?

LennyeTran wrote:Human contact, conversation, blah blah blah, forget about all that stuff when you deal with stuff online. Things in life are not only black and white, there's a gray shade in between, and sometimes we stand in that gray shade once in awhile in our lives, I must remind you.


So I have to conclude that for you human contact has no importance, is useless ?

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Postby MissLT » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:12 pm

shazzam1452 wrote:I think that internet shopping would benefit people that are homebound and have to rely on others (sick or elderly).

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I think so, too.

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Postby MissLT » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:14 pm

Ok Shokin, I'm not gonna debate with you anymore in this topic since this is useless, okay. I do not wanna be rude, but your questions do seem to me that you just like to question even though sometimes they sound ridiculous. Whatever. I'll pass.

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Postby shokin » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:31 pm

Simply I am not "laxist".

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Postby manrat » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:35 pm

shazzam1452 wrote:I think that internet shopping would benefit people that are homebound and have to rely on others (sick or elderly).

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I agree. Sick, elderly or disabled people can benefit. I have friends who are blind. Unless someone else gives them a ride to the store, they sometimes just cannot go. If its close, they are able to go on their own and just walk but not every store is around the corner or the same city :wink:
So I asked them and they say that it is good to have the option to shop online. This may not be a priority and people prefer to go on their own and see first hand, but it is a possibility for those who need it.

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Postby MissLT » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:09 pm

shokin wrote:Simply I am not "laxist".

Shokin

Are you sure? Or you have it confused like you have with "price" and "value" that they can't be interchangeable under whatsoever phrases :roll: .

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Postby shokin » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:23 pm

Difference between price and value sounds you ridiculous ?

What I did not appreciate at all from you is the :

LennyeTran wrote:Human contact, conversation, blah blah blah, forget about all that stuff when you deal with stuff online.


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Postby MissLT » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:10 pm

shokin wrote: Difference between price and value sounds you ridiculous ?

I did not answer you in General Discussion and I won't answer you this here. You don't know the differences between them and the way they can be interchangeable in some phrases or meanings. It's useless to debate, all right.

shokin wrote:What I did not appreciate at all from you is the :

LennyeTran wrote:Human contact, conversation, blah blah blah, forget about all that stuff when you deal with stuff online.


Shokin

If you knew I was talking about my example of grocery online shopping and not go over the subject such as chatting, meeting friends, ebay, etc., then you would know there was no way you could do such thing when you were doing that kinda online shopping. How are you gonna do that, I'm asking you? Send them an email to complain or ask questions about your grocery online? Yeah, go ahead and try that :roll: . Anyway, this discussion between you and I in this topic is over. End of discussion for me.


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