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let's discuss some books, please:)

Postby hereiam » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:40 pm

hello:)
my name is hereiam. I am very bored lately. I am so bored with life that I started to read "Pride and Prejudice". My dream is to read "Pickwick Papers" but I cannot find this book. I forgot totally where I hid it:(((.
Well... I have tried to read at least ONE of Jane Austin's books 100 times but they have always seemed to me sooooooo boooooooring that I couldn't get over 1 chapter at least!:(((
Today I have managed to read first chapter.
I think it is a big achievement of mine!
Language is a bit old-fashioned and Mr Bingley still hasn't appeared but somehow today it seemed to me more interesting that I found it some years ago... interesting why?
Jane Austin fans go into light please!:)

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Re: let's discuss some books, please:)

Postby Dixie » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:38 pm

hereiam wrote:Well... I have tried to read at least ONE of Jane Austin's books 100 times but they have always seemed to me sooooooo boooooooring that I couldn't get over 1 chapter at least!:(((


That's exactly what happened to me with Pride and Prejudice! I could read only a few chapters, but I found it sooo dull that I didn't want to force myself to read it.

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Postby Tora » Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:29 pm

You guys have changed my mind totally!
i was told only good things about Jane Austen and her books, 'classical english romance' and 'touching literature'... But now passing through book shelves in a book-shop when i see Jane Austen i say to myself No way... and run away quickly! :lol: :lol:

Of course i'd better find it out by myself... but why should i waste my time tasting something dull.. hmm... :roll:

i used to know a booooring lady, she adored Austen... so see the connection? :roll: :lol: (i'm not polite tonight...)

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Postby Dixie » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:02 pm

Well, Tora, actually, I want to give Jane Austen another chance. I will re-start Pride and Prejudice and give it another try, because I always think that if this novel is such a classic and one of the most popular novels in English literature, it must be worth it. I think that finding it boring was only my fault. I should have read it with the passion it deserves, and I surely didn't.

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Postby Tora » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:08 pm

Dixie wrote:Well, Tora, actually, I want to give Jane Austen another chance. I will re-start Pride and Prejudice and give it another try, because I always think that if this novel is such a classic and one of the most popular novels in English literature, it must be worth it. I think that finding it boring was only my fault. I should have read it with the passion it deserves, and I surely didn't.


Good luck, Dixie!
I hope one day you'll manage it and will determine your judgement! :wink:
i'm still too far from that idea... :roll: :oops:

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Re: let's discuss some books, please:)

Postby MissLT » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:11 am

hereiam wrote:hello:)
my name is hereiam. I am very bored lately. I am so bored with life that I started to read "Pride and Prejudice"

I didn't know you could be so darn funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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hello people:)

Postby hereiam » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:11 am

I am HERE;) again...
well... you can believe or no - I have managed to read ...10 chapters of "Pride and Prejudice" since Saturday!
Dixy - can you beat me?;) Not a single word about others.
You know - I like this book very much. It is even funny from time to time. Now I am in the place where Elisabeth stood up to stretch her bones after 5 hours of sitting and talking about nothing. Her sister Jane is still ill.
Darcy has already liked Elisabeth's eyes but ...you know what he told about her at first ball that she wasnot pretty enough to tempt him and worthu enough to dance with him. What a rude guy!:( We could say an elephant in a porcelain shop. Poor Elisabeth - why did she laugh at it at first? Darcy is hopeless by that moment but remember his annual income is 10 thousand a year, while Bingley has an income of 5 thousand a year and do you remember what was an income of Mr. Bennet (the father of 5 daughters) - only 2 thousand a year. Awful:(((.
Besides I didn't like he was calling his daughters "idiots" or something like that (excluding Elisabeth whom he liked).
Poor Elisabeth - she must put up with these all awful people who do nothing but gossiping:( Times haven't changed at all here and there:(
Well...noone promised us a paradise on this earth...
Read you soon:)

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Postby Dixie » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:41 am

Wow Hereiam you're deeply into the book! ;)

Well done!

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hello Dixie!:)

Postby hereiam » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:39 am

sad piece of news today..:(
I have made no progress since yesterday. Almost no progress.
But Jane has recovered hurried by her younger sister Elisabeth and they came back home (I don't remember if the coach was Bingley's or their own). Anyway, they mother was very unhappy seeing them cause she wanted them to stay at Bingely till Tuesday (that would give one week of time of their being there). But they came back on Sunday mostly because Elisabeth didn't want to trouble their neighbours any longer.
Poor Elisabeth!:(
Well.. Darcy is still awful. A total snob we would say today. All his comments and demands... I am really astonished remembering that finally he married Elisabeth...
PS. I love my boring life. Really.
To be continued...:)

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Postby Dixie » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:34 am

Hereiam please don't tell the story, I still want to read the book :D

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Postby JainaSolo » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:49 am

Probably you won't believe me but I really love Jane Austen's novels...they're wonderful! :lol: I enjoyed the "Pride and Prejudice" film so much that I bought the book as soon as possible and now I've already finished also "Sense and Sensibility", "Emma" and "Northanger Abbey"...
I love Jane Austen's writing style, the characters (Mr Darcy is my favourite one!), the setting...if I had more time (and of course if Austen had written some novels more and not only 6! :cry: :cry: :cry: ) I'd never stop reading her novels!
...How can you find those novels boring?They're so great! :cry: :cry: :shock:

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hello Florence:)

Postby hereiam » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:00 pm

Hello:)
Boring? I read them in English (one use of my reading them at least). So you know - I have MANY problems here and there. Really:(. Well... I have to notice that except of talking about balls some girls play the pianos, sing, walk, Darcy can write a letter (oh my God!). Lizzy Bennet can read books. Maybe Jane also. Not a single word about their three younger sisters who like some officers.
Yes - this book is deeply interesting for contemporary people who have to fight had to survive.
Still, let me come and share here my next comments after 10 next chapters.
See you soon.
hereiam:)

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ps

Postby hereiam » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:06 pm

PS. work hard - not had.
Never better.
I hope I will like Mr Darcy one day. And I am curious to guess for WHAT (excluding his annual income of course).
Well... till this moment I would really feel sorrow thinking about Elisabeth Bennet around these all snobish people but don't forget he has a very good friend - Charlotte Lucas with whom she can speak frankly.
And I noticed Austin LOVES the word "agreeable". People are dived into the ones who have beautiful, AGREEABLE personalities and for the rest of human race. I am wondering what did she mean in fact? Maybe someone could help me...
:roll:

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Re: hello Florence:)

Postby JainaSolo » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:18 pm

hereiam wrote:Hello:)
Boring? I read them in English (one use of my reading them at least). So you know - I have MANY problems here and there. Really:(.


Wow, you're reading it on English!That's great! :D I am sure I wouldn't be able, ... :roll: shame on me! :cry:

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Postby JainaSolo » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:25 pm

hereiam wrote:I hope I will like Mr Darcy one day. And I am curious to guess for WHAT (excluding his annual income of course).


ahah :D Don't you like him? He's my favourite character, he's just like a man should be, in my opinion :roll:

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Re: hello Florence:)

Postby MissLT » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:54 pm

hereiam wrote:Hello:)
Boring? I read them in English (one use of my reading them at least). So you know - I have MANY problems here and there.

Are they really good in Polish like they are in English? :?

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Postby hereiam » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:33 pm

Well... good question - I have never tried to read Austin in Polish. But you know - I am often very dissapointed with various translations. Sometimes books -specially the ones like Austin's are translated in a very romantic - people tend to see only romance there. While in fact they are often much more complicated. When I read Austin in English I CAN SEE these past times she had described. Nothing strange - she LIVED in these times. I can read her boring stories are still very vivid - they make the daily routine, normal habits etc. I noticed that rather long sentences were built with more pleasure by her heroes than short messages (like SMS today). These people simply had time to think over a lot of things, see details, and still muse over how to use others to increase their annual income to...another 10 thousand?
But one day I will try to find Polish translation for sure. I hope I will SEE the times and people as much as in original version.
All in all, it isn't surely an easy thing to translate a masterpiece.
I wouldn't even try (my knowledge of historical English equals ZERO) though from time to time when I try to compare some translations .., Polish version seem to be hopeless. I don't know why. Without original energy, spirit, flair...I don't know-somehow they are very "heavy" -whatever it means...
:roll:
Traslators - translate your books with more passion, please:)
Put some energy into people from the past. Give them some opportunities to LIVE.
That's all by now.
PS. Mr Collins appeared - another awful type. I am at chapter 15. Total boot-licker. AGREEABLE I mean.
:)

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Postby MissLT » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:32 pm

hereiam wrote:Well... good question - I have never tried to read Austin in Polish. But you know - I am often very dissapointed with various translations. Sometimes books -specially the ones like Austin's are translated in a very romantic - people tend to see only romance there. While in fact they are often much more complicated.
:)

This is a good point. Since one word can carry different meanings I think translators usually interpret the meanings in their own way. And then we'll imagine the meanings based on their way; it's no longer original. :cry:

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oh jeez -how many mistakes in my letter...:(

Postby hereiam » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:33 pm

Well... good question - I have never tried to read Austin in Polish. But you know - I am often very dissapointed with various translations. Sometimes books -specially the ones like Austin's are translated in a very romantic - people tend to see only romance there. While in fact they are often much more complicated. When I read Austin in English I CAN SEE these past times she had described. Nothing strange - she LIVED in these times. I can read her boring stories are still very vivid - they make the daily routine, normal habits etc. I noticed that rather long sentences were built with more pleasure by her heroes than short messages (like SMS today). These people simply had time to think over a lot of things, see details, and still muse over how to use others to increase their annual income to...another 10 thousand?
But one day I will try to find Polish translation for sure. I hope I will SEE the times and people as much as in original version.
All in all, it isn't surely an easy thing to translate a masterpiece.
I wouldn't even try (my knowledge of historical English equals ZERO) though from time to time when I try to compare some translations .., Polish version seem to be hopeless. I don't know why. Without original energy, spirit, flair...I don't know-somehow they are very "heavy" -whatever it means...
Rolling Eyes
Traslators - translate your books with more passion, please:)
Put some energy into people from the past. Give them some opportunities to LIVE.
That's all by now.
PS. Mr Collins appeared - another awful type. I am at chapter 15. Total boot-licker. AGREEABLE I mean.



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Well... a good question - I have never tried to read Austin in Polish. But you know - I am often very dissapointed with various translations. Sometimes books -specially the ones like Austin's are translated in a very romantic way- people tend to see only romance there. While in fact they are often much more complicated. When I read Austin in English I CAN SEE these past times she had described. Nothing strange - she LIVED in those times. I can read her boring stories that are still very vivid as deals language - people do their daily routine, have normal more and less interesting habits etc.
I noticed that rather long sentences are built with more pleasure by her heroes than short messages (like SMS today). These people simply had time to think over a lot of things, see details, and still muse over how to use others to increase their annual income by...another 10 thousand?
But one day I will try to find Polish translation for sure. I hope I will SEE the times and people reading it as much as I can do it in original version.
All in all, it isn't surely an easy thing to translate a masterpiece.
I wouldn't even try (my knowledge of historical English equals ZERO) though from time to time when I try to compare some translations with originals... Polish versions seem to be hopeless. I don't know why. Without original energy, spirit, flair...I don't know-somehow they are very "heavy" -whatever it means...

Traslators - translate your books with more passion, please:)
Put some energy into people from the past. Give them some opportunities to LIVE.
That's all by now.
PS. Mr Collins appeared - another awful type. I am at chapter 15. Total boot-licker. AGREEABLE I mean.
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PS2.... I noticed in chapter 15 that Mr Collins tried to marry too. Oh my God - everyone in this book wants only to marry! It is like marrying-horror! :( Mr collins met with Mr. Darcy by accident as far as I got the point. Oh - this all Mr. Darcy... I am anxious to go on. Really. Bit sooner I promised to everyone that I wouldn't write here before finishing 20 chapter but as you can read the facts go so fast in this book that I couldn't resist from telling you about my anxiety due to it...;)

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Re: hello Florence:)

Postby illusion » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:34 am

LennyeTran wrote:
hereiam wrote:Hello:)
Boring? I read them in English (one use of my reading them at least). So you know - I have MANY problems here and there.

Are they really good in Polish like they are in English? :?


I've read Austen both in English and Polish and as always I prefer the orginal version better but I don't mind Polish that much. After all I guess translating books must be a hard task...

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Re: hello Florence:)

Postby MissLT » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:58 pm

illusion wrote:
I've read Austen both in English and Polish and as always I prefer the orginal version better but I don't mind Polish that much. After all I guess translating books must be a hard task...

Yeah, that's true. Like in Harry Potter, the sixth book ended with a mysterious initials R.A.B and the Dutch version translated it as R.A.Z. They translated Sirius Black as Sirius Zwarts. Hmmmmm.... :?


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