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People should conform to a country's dress codes.

Postby TalkingPoint » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:03 pm

People with specific religious dress requirements should conform to the dress codes of the country they live in, however different those dress requirements and cultural codes might be.

What do you think?
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Postby Dixie » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:19 am

This is something I've been asking myself for a long time. Due to immigration, we see Muslim women every day, dressed from head to toes, and now in summer we wonder... Isn't it too hot? Don't they realize it's too hot to dress like that? But I guess they don't, or, if they do, it's not important for them. They were educated that way, they must hide their body regardless of the heat... I think it's so cruel, but at the same time I'm freaked out by the fact that they don't seem to care; they are bound to their countries's sexist rules. They are living in a free society now, where they can dress however they want to, but they just stick to their traditions. Seeing them makes me feel bad for them, because I know why they dress like that, and I don't understand why they don't complain to their husbands or whoever it is that makes them hide their body and suffer from this heat!

On the other hand, I am sure I wouldn't change my European way of dressing if I went to other countries, but I think that's different. I dress the way I want, there's nobody telling me I should hide my body or my face or my hair (and if there was, I wouldn't listen! :lol: Who are they to tell me what I should do).

So, I also think that if I wouldn't change my dressing style, we can't ask them to do it, either. Regardless of the difference (we dress the way we want, while they are told how to dress).

I'd like to hear the opinions of other Muslims, please.

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Postby shokin » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:29 pm

Yes, adapt yourself to the local culture ! we have to respect each culture. If we don't, we are killing the diversity of cultures.

!!! I think about real cultures and countries (Quebec, Catalunya...), not about religions !!!

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Postby victoriaa » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:06 pm

I think we have to respect their way to live. If they really want to wear their dresses, they can do that. However in practice not everybody who wears religious dresses really want to wear them. They do that because they are forced to do that by their men and the rules of the religion. Yes, we live in a free world. But not in each country applys these rules.
I self wear the clothes that I want, and nobody would push me to change my clothes. But I live i a really free country. Here are also many muslims, but some of them really want to wear they dresses. And some of them totally not. For example I know some persons who go to school in a religious dress, and in the school toilet they change their dress to short skirt and normal shirt. I think that that is terrible that they are forced to live so who they don't really want. But they have a big family, who will not allow you behave you the way they want, but the way they must according to religion.
How can men change it?

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Postby Tora » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:13 pm

hello, Victoriaa! it's nice to meet you.
Well not so long time ago education among europeans and muslims all together was nonsence, but now it's quite common. I guess it's a question of time and integration, the world globalization isn't just theory - it works!

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Postby victoriaa » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:19 pm

Hopefully it is. I also think it's important to understand the other cultures. Because we all live together. I am absolutely not against other cultures untill the moment the people are forced to do that.

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Postby HKdude » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:02 am

First, I think there should not be any specific dress codes in any countries. It depends on our own choice. We can dress what we like. If you think it's a bit odd for us to adopt the other dress code, fine! Just follow suit the dress code in our country then. It doesn't matter! The most important consideration, I think, is comfort.

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Postby Dixie » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:11 am

HKdude wrote:First, I think there should not be any specific dress codes in any countries. It depends on our own choice. We can dress what we like. If you think it's a bit odd for us to adopt the other dress code, fine! Just follow suit the dress code in our country then. It doesn't matter! The most important consideration, I think, is comfort.


Totally agree! I just can't understand why there have to be specific dressing patterns in some countries. I think the clothes you wear are (or should be) a personal choice.

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Postby kathymimi » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:54 pm

some people wear special clothes due to their religion or tradition. maybe they think their dressing pattern is nothing different from others. maybe in their minds, every country and every religion has its own dressing pattern, and what others wear is just showing the pattern of their own. don't you think wear what you like is a dressing pattern?

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Postby vasilch » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:11 am

I think we all follow dressing pattern of the country where we're living. And this pattern is known as fashion. Fashion is the thing that depends on country culture, country religion. I think if you are in the country where the fashion is different from the one of yours, you should to conform to their fashion. But if some aspects of fashion are complitly forbidden by your culture or your religion you should try to find compromise.... may be mix details of your culture and ones of the country where you are living...
And once more...It shouldn't be right to be opposite to the country culture where you are.... Imagine that Papuan from New Guinea arrives to Paris for example....and walks with dhoti...or without it...

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Postby Alfabeto » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:12 am

shokin wrote:Yes, adapt yourself to the local culture ! we have to respect each culture. If we don't, we are killing the diversity of cultures.

!!! I think about real cultures and countries (Quebec, Catalunya...), not about religions !!!

Shokin


In principle I would adapt as much as possible to the local culture. But not all cultures are equal. Some are better than others. I do not care much about the diversity of cultures. In my view, anything leading to unifying the world under one single culture is in principle a good thing. In fact, there is a name for this: civilization!

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Postby Dixie » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:43 pm

Alfabeto wrote:In principle I would adapt as much as possible to the local culture. But not all cultures are equal. Some are better than others. I do not care much about the diversity of cultures. In my view, anything leading to unifying the world under one single culture is in principle a good thing. In fact, there is a name for this: civilization!


So, to you civilization means to lose ALL cultures (languages, history, customs, and all nations) and favor and keep just one? OMD.

By the way,

Alfabeto wrote:But not all cultures are equal. Some are better than others.


Could you explain this? How is a culture better than another one?

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Postby MissLT » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:03 pm

I do think there are some cultures that are better than others. For example, I would die before I live in a culture that has people stone others for their adultery. Lucky me, I was born and raised in "better" cultures.

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Postby Dixie » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:08 am

LennyeTran wrote:I do think there are some cultures that are better than others. For example, I would die before I live in a culture that has people stone others for their adultery. Lucky me, I was born and raised in "better" cultures.


I know, Len, and I agree. But I think he meant a very different thing. Just wanted to hear an explanation ;)

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Postby MissLT » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:02 am

:? Hmmmm... maybe what I interpret that person's post is different than yours. I kinda understand what that person meant. I probably am wrong. :P

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Postby r1lita » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:34 am

I guess dressing is among our dailly life, it's a part of our education so when you ask why do they wear something that covers their body from top to toe? It's just beacause they are used to doing that. They are just trying to keep their authenticity/tradition by their way of clothing.

Where ever we go I think we should respect the country's dress code where you live in. That doesn't mean to leave your traditional clothes because you can still wear them when you are home. Once you go to work for example you change your clothes. :roll:

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Postby Alfabeto » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:06 pm

So, to you civilization means to lose ALL cultures (languages, history, customs, and all nations) and favor and keep just one? OMD.


The word "Civilization" is derived from the Latin word for "city". The current idea of civilization dates from 18th-century France, when it was used to designate the highest degree in the development of a culture. Its opposite is barbarism, the condition of pre-statal societies. Those pre-statal societies are often absorbed into a civilization. In fact, the idea of civilization implies the merging together of several cultures, either primitive or historical, into a common tradition. It also implies a tendency for civilizations to extend globally. This means that for any given moment in history there is tipically only one civilization. The Greco-Latin civilization is the only one which exists nowadays and the only one which is effectively extending worldwide. That does not mean that all cultures encompassed by it must immediately perish, only that there is a clear hierarchy. Eventually, we can expect cultural differences within a civilization to become less important and perhaps even disappear into a single culture. If and when that happens most of the reasons for waging war will have disappeared from earth.

Could you explain this? How is a culture better than another one?

It means I don't believe in cultural relativism (for many reasons I won't go into at the moment). A culture that accepts female genital mutilation is to me clearly inferior to one that doesn't accept it, just like one which assigns women a secondary status is inferior to one which recognizes equality of the sexes. Those would be the most obvious examples. Also, a culture which institutionally divides people into closed groups according to race, language or religion could be very advanced in many ways, but it would always be inferior to a similar one which does not.

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Postby `aFiFah » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:34 am

actually if all of you really understand islam,you will know that muslims women dressed from head to toes not because of their traditions but it is one of the rules in islamic religion.but the style that they are dressing is of course refer to their cultures and traditions.I know sometimes people may wonder if they are hot or not (when dressed from head to toes).but for me,if you really have your true spirits of islam, to dressed like that is a normal thing.the rules of islam is beautiful.maybe somepeople say that it is somekind of cruel to let them dressed from head to toes.actually its not.

(In many ways, covering the body protects it from the heat of direct sunlight. Notice that the traditional dress in many desert climates consists of loose, flowing robes. In loose clothing, the air around the body flows freely and cools more readily. And when people have been wearing this type of clothing for many years, the body get used to it.
On extremely hot days, we might be uncomfortable as is everyone else. During those times, we find comfort knowing that we are following what we believe to be God's guidance for us.)adapted from http://islam.about.com.

I must say that if you really understand islam,you will know how beautiful islam is.... :wink:

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Postby crystalfrogw » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:34 pm

No people should have right to decide what kind of clothes they wear.......But the problem is most of people in those countries feel good wearing their traditional clothes and are proud of their cultural codes.... I think....
So it is meaningless for US to discuss whether they should obey or not.....Only people there decide.......

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Postby areej » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:43 pm

muslem women aren't forced to cover their heads and bodies... but Islam considers women such as diamonds..If you have diamonds, you would be covered and placed in a box for fear of theft or the threat of it is precious and valuable .. you Will notes that rape and harassment of women in very rare because of the veil ..also sesters cover their heads and bodies ..Is this is contrary to the culture of your clothes?
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Postby Dixie » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:30 pm

areej wrote:muslem women aren't forced to cover their heads and bodies... but Islam considers women such as diamonds..If you have diamonds, you would be covered and placed in a box for fear of theft or the threat of it is precious and valuable .. you Will notes that rape and harassment of women in very rare because of the veil ..also sesters cover their heads and bodies ..Is this is contrary to the culture of your clothes?
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That's what you tell them and make them believe. I just can't understand how they can buy that.


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