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Tips for Writing

Postby Pirate » Sun May 23, 2004 10:53 pm

Hello everyone,

This is one part of the series "Tips for learning English". The series is today created in the sake of collecting and assembling tips which come from English learners. Post your own tips which really work :!: Other members can learn from them, and if necessary we could discuss :idea:

You are in the WRITING section 8) .

"Say all you have to say in the fewest possible words, or your reader will be sure to skip them; and in the plainest possible words or he will certainly misunderstand them."
John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

English Writing lessons: http://www.englishclub.com/writing/

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Postby hurricane_sh » Mon May 31, 2004 12:16 am

Can't agree more, simple is the best!

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Postby Ms.A.Z » Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:15 pm

hello all

i will be really glad if some one give me tips to improve my english writting and spelling...i can say what ever i want but i cant write every thing i want...i dont have a single clue how to help my self....so if any one can help i will be happy ..

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Postby Pirate » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:07 am

I think translation is a good way of learning how to write perfectly.

Where can we find good English passages and texts? Many sources are around! Personally I recommend newspapers and magazines. Most articles there are perfect in English writing.

First you choose an interesting article, then translate it into your language. Second, make a translation back into English and compare! This will take time but I guess what you obtain is not just better writing :!:

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Especially to ms-a.z:

You can speak well about a lot of things, but you are still not pleased with your writing, why? Because you were not really writing! You were simply typing out your thinking! I think you are a bit easy to yourself in writing, and that's why you often miss following some certain writing rules:

1- You don't start your sentences with Capital Letters.
2- You often end your sentences with "...". :?:
3- Many of your posts here are not very well-organized. You write many things but you didn't devide them into passages, so the readers might jump or skip your writing.
4- You forgot to check your writing after you had finished, so I still see mistakes of spelling in your posts.

Overall, writing is not like speaking when you can spontaneously learn by practising. In writing you need to learn by looking back at your practice and promise to yourself that you won't make these mistakes again. Teachers will surely help you point out the mistakes in your writing!

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In this LEARNING ENGLISH forum, you can find a topic about writing IELTS topics (drowning somewhere below though), you can search for the topics, then post there for everyone to know and you yourself write one!

And my last word now is that if you have good tips, please post up and discuss to help others learn actually.

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Postby Ms.A.Z » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:00 pm

hi pirate thanks for your reply

You can speak well about a lot of things, but you are still not pleased with your writing, why? Because you were not really writing! You were simply typing out your thinking! I think you are a bit easy to yourself in writing, and that's why you often miss following some certain writing rules:



1- You don't start your sentences with Capital Letters. i know that but i dont

2- You often end your sentences with "...". its my writting style but i think its need to be changed
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b]3-[/b] Many of your posts here are not very well-organized. You write many things but you didn't devide them into passages, so the readers might jump or skip your writing.
ur right i dont know but i dont write long topics so that readers have to jump

4- You forgot to check your writing after you had finished, so I still see mistakes of spelling in your posts. If i type fast then yes i do mistakes but not always..but over my spelling is weak and for that only i need help

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Postby Ms.A.Z » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:27 pm

HI

I know writting rules but i don't follow them always. I know when to use capital letters and where. I don't know how to organize my ideas. I write in my own style (using u for you , ur for you are, messg for message and so on). I am not writing a report or any formal document so that I have to follow standard english writing rules in each and every post I make.I just express my ideas but if you think those things are important then i will keep them in mind when I write again.

What i wanted is a help to improve my spelling so that i won't make any mistakes while I write again. I want to know how each sound in english is written and why it's written like that. I want to know the logic so that i don't have to memorize how to write a praticular word in a particular way. I asked my teachers to help me but no one did.

If you can see I used some writing rules in this message.

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Postby Pirate » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:46 pm

If you think you can deal well with your formal documents, so feel free to write with your style.

Good luck with your spelling, English is crazy enough to have much exception! For examples you can read my post-poem in Tips for Pronounciation.

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Postby Pirate » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:56 pm

generosity for example.

Hey,

It's a frequently asked question from learners. As I know there are only teachers willing to do this, and there is no system can manage with the desire from hundreds/thousands of students.

So that is one of the reasons why we are trying to build effective forums for English learners. This is the place where learners can help other learners and by that way improve their own English.

It seems that the forums are not fascinating enough and the members don't like that way of learning. Why don't you try, at least for once, find mistakes in others' writing together with reading perfect writing (from English books, newspapers and magazines) to develop your writing skill other than waiting for others to correct you?

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Postby Guest » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:22 pm

Ms.A.Z wrote:
What i wanted is a help to improve my spelling so that i won't make any mistakes while I write again. I want to know how each sound in english is written and why it's written like that. I want to know the logic so that i don't have to memorize how to write a praticular word in a particular way. I asked my teachers to help me but no one did.

If you can see I used some writing rules in this message.

What about typing your piece of writing using MS Word first then copy and paste here??? That way you can use spelling and grammar check; however, you should proofread your own writing yourself at the end, though. It's because computers sometimes can mix-up homonym words, which you don't want it to happen. It's the best way to improve your writing style and spelling vocabulary-- try to find your own mistakes in your own writings and correct them based on your knowledge.
Also, try to find incorrect spelled words in others' posts. Tell them to correct those mistakes or not is your choice, but practice to see mistakes in writing can help you a lot. Good luck. :wink:

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Postby Guest » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:26 pm

Ms.A.Z wrote:HI

I know writting rules but i don't follow them always. I know when to use capital letters and where. I don't know how to organize my ideas. I write in my own style (using u for you , ur for you are, messg for message and so on). I am not writing a report or any formal document so that I have to follow standard english writing rules in each and every post I make.I just express my ideas but if you think those things are important then i will keep them in mind when I write again.

Try to write in proper writing style as much as possile. It's because you're not English native so the more you practice something is not self-borne, the better you'll be. As you know, there are many formal styles of writing, so use them wisely. Who knows, you might end up writing a book or something, right? :wink:

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Postby GiddyGad » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:04 pm

Practice is necessary, sure. But there's a tip concerning spelling that can be used if understood how it works.

Did you ever think why some letters are extended up- or downwards? If letters had been the same size all over a writing there would have been some tension growing: in your hand - while you are writing, and in your eyes - while you are reading the message.
Our behavior, all our habits are rhythmical in nature, and extended elements establish the rhythm of writing... unless you write in separate letters. Write a whole word as one symbol and then "dot the 'i's and cross the 't's" with a backward movement of your hand. Don't write a word letter by letter - try to remember the whole word; and don't look at the sample word while writing it - check mistakes afterwards, when the word has been written. Use the extended elements as the rhythmical basis of your writing. Switch on some rhythm or music if you feel like it.

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Postby Laxuan » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:08 am

I'm trying to practise writing skill in order to get IELTS writing marks at least 5.5 but I find it really difficult.
The First part: describe a chart, graph, diagram or sth like that, I am always confused with what words I should use and I often repeat what I have written. Can you give me any tips?
About the second part I think that it is easier to express your ideas about an issue.

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Postby esra » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:35 pm

To express your ideas about an issue can be easy only if you are good at your own language...

To provide this one must read a lot...

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Re: Tips for Writing

Postby henrywang » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:41 am

I very glad to see this forum,I am learning English too.But my English is not very good. So I want to make friends with all of you.My icq number is 225-530-343.Please join me!

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Postby TuanAnVu » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:37 pm

hurricane_sh wrote:Can't agree more, simple is the best!


and the meaningfulness is also necessary.

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Questions about writing

Postby Inkbell » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:28 am

Aloha!

I'm an university student from Poland and will soon have to re-take my writing exam. :? It requires to write one paragraph and one summary, and now as I practise, I've, so far, two questions: :wink:

1.Question: What is/are the difference/s between an analytical and an expository (explanatory) paper?

2.Question: Writing an litearture essay (literary criticism), are the primary sources the books/literary works I write ABOUT, and the secondary sources these books which HELP me to write about the chosen books/literary works?

Thanks in advance, more from me will come soon!
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Argumentative paper

Postby Inkbell » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:45 am

Me again! :D

Now will follow my outlines for three paragraph topics, including topic sentences. I would be most grateful if you could give me some advice whether the outlines and topic sentences are proper, how to deal with the topics and generally, how to write good paragraphs. :wink:

Thanks!

Argumentative: Reading as a source of a rich imagination and vocabulary for children is threatened by the contemporary media.

Topic sentence:
Reading has always been an undeplorable source of imagination and vocabulary for children, meanwhile the contemporary media are a threat to this benefitial activity.

Outline:
A.The benefits of reading
1)reading aloud – listening to a story and imagening the scenes and heroes
2)reading to oneself – developing reading and comprehension skills, widening the child’s vocabulary, after gaining fluency also imagening the whole story while reading, widening the child’s interests and knowledge of the surrounding world

B.The threats of the contemporary media for children’s imagination
1)Television amd computer games – depriving children’s imagination of own ideas and pictures, offering seldom new vocabulary

C.Combining traditional reading with multimedia products
1)Television series and cinema movies chosen by the parents that contribute to the development of imagination and language (adaptations of famous children’s stories, etc.)
2)Computer games which demand idependent thinking, stimulate to take responsibility and develop creativity; educational games
3)Internet – blocking dangerous websides, encouraging the search for more information about the child’s favourite authors, subjects, etc. (the Internet offers a wide range of beautiful and inspiring websides of, for instance, J. K. Rowling or Cornelia Funke)

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Second outline

Postby Inkbell » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:48 am

Process: The process of writing a literature essay
Topic sentence:

To succeed in writing a good literary criticism paper, a student should abide by certain rules and think over some helpful suggestions.

Outline:

A.Preparation
1)Choosing a topic
2)Researching
3)Selecting the material/primary and secondary sources

B.Writing
1)Writing the first draft including the thesis and arguments
2)Inserting quotations from the sources

C.Proofreading and editing
1)Correcting grammar, punctuation and spelling errors
2)Checking coherence, conciseness and unity (transitions)
3)Checking the number of words, eliminating wordiness

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Third outline

Postby Inkbell » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:50 am

Comparison and contrast: two authors - J. K. Rowling and Cornelia Funke

Topic sentence:

Two of the most popular contemporary authors of children’s literature, Joanne Kathleen Rowling and Cornelia Funke, are well worth comparing to each other.

Outline:

A.Origin
1)J. K. Rowling – British culture (all the tradition of excellent British children’s literature)
2)Cornelia Funke – German culture (other traditions, views, though Mrs Funke is thoroughly rooted in the British literary tradition, named also the German J. K. Rowling)

B.Literary works
1)Harry Potter – only one series (7 books)
2)over 40 books for the whole gamut of young readers, including the successful Inkheart-series

C.Style (?)

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Summary

Postby Inkbell » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:55 am

Aloha!

Here comes my summary of the article "The Dangers of Chronic Distress" by Michael Craig Miller, M.D., which you can find on the webside:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9466930/site/newsweek/
Or by googeling the title of the article.

Once again huge thanks!

The Dangers of Chronic Distress – summary

Prof. Johan Denollet has invented a personality test containing 14 questions to show the connection between psychological conditions and heart diseases, known as the DS14. The test helps to identify the so called Type D personality – rather pessimistic people, dominated by worries and anxieties. The DS14 distinguishes between two distress factors: “negative activity” and “social inhibition”, which may have a bad influence on the heart. Such psycho-tests had been developed earlier but did not stay, though they were not useless, as they showed exactly these feelings which are harmful to our health. Denollet’s own tests as well as researches made in the Netherlands proved that there is a connection between Type D personalities and the premature death of cardio patients. However, the DS14 has to be tested itself until it will be reliable. Besides, possessing a Type D personality does not doom one to an early death, as there is a multitude of possibilities to ward off the threats for one’s health, e.g. a good marriage or the help of psychologists. Taking up sport and a dietary change may also improve one’s quality of life. Prof. Denollet’s invention gives the possibility to have an objective view on our personality and maybe to change something in our life to feel better.

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Useful webside

Postby Inkbell » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:59 am

Okay, the last time for today :wink:
Here's a really useful webside which I got from my phonetics teacher concerning writing in general, including grammar, literary criticism, poetry, etc.:
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/

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