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Post by MissLT » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:34 pm

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No. He didn't want her as his wife. At least it isn't anything about it. But I have read only a simplified version.
But besides I don't think a bad marriage can be better than no marraige at all. I think some people simply prefer doing different things than running from one court into another and fight for money, kids etc. It makes our life more stressful and we can finish it faster because of such a mess:(
From what I remember he wanted to marry her (he didn't love her, just God, in my opinion), so they both could devote their lives to God. She refused it later on, though, for she found herself fallin in love with Rochester.

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Post by Dixie » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:30 am

illusion wrote:You know what? It reminds me of this Friends episode when Pheobe and Rachel signed up for literature classes and Rachel didn't read Jane Eyre and she had to tell the story in front the whole group and she said that Jane Eyre was a cyborg and she lived in a robot world? HA HA HA HA LOL how funny is that? :)
Hahaha yeah that was fun... :lol: :lol: Last night I stayed up late watching the three last episodes 8)

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Post by illusion » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:41 am

Dixie wrote:
illusion wrote:You know what? It reminds me of this Friends episode when Pheobe and Rachel signed up for literature classes and Rachel didn't read Jane Eyre and she had to tell the story in front the whole group and she said that Jane Eyre was a cyborg and she lived in a robot world? HA HA HA HA LOL how funny is that? :)
Hahaha yeah that was fun... :lol: :lol: Last night I stayed up late watching the three last episodes 8)
omg me too!!! I love watching Friends before going to bed :D I sleep better after a good laugh HA HA HA :D

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hmm hmm hmmm

Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:48 pm

From what I remember he wanted to marry her (he didn't love her, just God, in my opinion), so they both could devote their lives to God. She refused it later on, though, for she found herself fallin in love with Rochester.
Can you give me a chapter where I can find these words?
I would never ever believe Jane Eyre would have wished to devote her life to God. She would have to be a nun then! But she wasnot a catholic so how could she be?
Maybe she would have wished to be a nurse and help people or a doctor?
Where did you find that she wanted to devote her life to God? Personally I think it is funny idea. She simply had a very difficult life and was focused on earning money on her own instead of dreaming about any illusions - devoting her life to God including.
Whatever it means.

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ps.

Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:52 pm

Lennye, here is "Jane Eyre" on-line.
Give me a chapter, please, where she wants to devote her life to God.
I only had time to read READER level 2 but I hope to be helped by you with details:)
Thanks a lot:)

http://www.literature.org/authors/bront ... jane-eyre/

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Post by MissLT » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:05 pm

Hold on, let me find it at Project Gutenberg. It might take awhile for me to find that chapter since it's been awhile.

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Re: hmm hmm hmmm

Post by MissLT » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:07 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote: I would never ever believe Jane Eyre would have wished to devote her life to God. She would have to be a nun then! But she wasnot a catholic so how could she be?
Maybe she would have wished to be a nurse and help people or a doctor?
Where did you find that she wanted to devote her life to God? Personally I think it is funny idea. She simply had a very difficult life and was focused on earning money on her own instead of dreaming about any illusions - devoting her life to God including.
Whatever it means.

LM
She did not wish, but she didn't really try to make choices for her life. I found her to be a submissive girl who was easily to persuaded in some parts.

When I said they both could devote their lives to God, I meant he wanted to marry her, so he could have someone take care of him while serving God. And he was trying to persuade her to serve God. I remember he said something like, what's better than the love of oneself to God. She was confused about her love to Rochester; therefore, she was thinking if going with John was the way to forget the past.

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Post by MissLT » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:25 pm

This is in chapter XXXIV. I'm not good with Roman numeral. I think it's chapter 34.

This is the start of his intention.

"Jane, what are you doing?"

"Learning German."

"I want you to give up German and learn Hindostanee."

"You are not in earnest?"

"In such earnest that I must have it so: and I will tell you why."

He then went on to explain that Hindostanee was the language he was himself at present studying; that, as he advanced, he was apt to forget the commencement; that it would assist him greatly to have a pupil with whom he might again and again go over the elements, and so fix them thoroughly in his mind; that his choice had hovered for some time between me and his sisters; but that he had fixed on me because he saw I could sit at a task the longest of the three. Would I do him this favour? I should not, perhaps, have to make the sacrifice long, as it wanted now barely three months to his departure.


And this is his first proposal and her first rejection,

I appealed to one who, in the discharge of what he believed his duty, knew neither mercy nor remorse. He continued -

"God and nature intended you for a missionary's wife. It is not personal, but mental endowments they have given you: you are formed for labour, not for love. A missionary's wife you must -- shall be. You shall be mine: I claim you -- not for my pleasure, but for my Sovereign's service."

"I am not fit for it: I have no vocation," I said.


http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext98/janey11h.htm

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Post by MissLT » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:51 pm

I copied these paragraphs in Chapter 34 in the link you posted above.

"Forgive me the words, St. John; but it is your own fault that I have been roused to speak so unguardedly. You have introduced a topic on which our natures are at variance--a topic we should never discuss: the very name of love is an apple of discord between us. If the reality were required, what should we do? How should we feel? My dear cousin, abandon your scheme of marriage--forget it."

"No," said he; "it is a long-cherished scheme, and the only one which can secure my great end: but I shall urge you no further at present. To-morrow, I leave home for Cambridge: I have many friends there to whom I should wish to say farewell. I shall be absent a fortnight--take that space of time to consider my offer: and do not forget that if you reject it, it is not me you deny, but God. Through my means, He opens to you a noble career; as my wife only can you enter upon it. Refuse to be my wife, and you limit yourself for ever to a track of selfish ease and barren obscurity. Tremble lest in that case you should be numbered with those who have denied the faith, and are worse than infidels!"


How scary his words are! I was wondering if he was a real saint while I was reading this part. That's why it has such an impact on me compared to other parts of this novel.

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hi Lennye

Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:59 pm

Thanks for your contribution. It is highly interesting;) I mean - Jane was a protestant so she couldn't be a nun. She could only be a wife of protestant vicar. Well... some of them were also very pitiful like we read in "Pride and Prejudice" (I think about Mr. Collins).

Now - calm conclusions about Jane's final choice.
Why did she prefer a bigamist more than a pious protestant vicar?
The answer - beacuse she was in blind love.
Another answer - she was still very sensitive cause she was young.
Third possibility - she helped her more than her cousins ( but can it be the truth? I am not so sure:(

Personally I would never ever tried to find a bigamist specially when I have just inherited a large fortune. So summing up - again crippled Mr Rochester was simply richer than healthy poor cousin so being confident in her own money Jane Eyre decided to find Mr Rochester rather than to marry a poor cousin.
AMEN.
Any other ideas?:)
I have one more idea of mine - better to read whole book with details than READER LEVEL 2. The last misses many plots.

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