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Post by Admiral » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:27 pm

racism is not good, really

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Post by feanor » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:48 pm

LennyeTran wrote:You are twisting history right now. They LOST the fight and were forced to shrink their territory.
what r u talking about? of course they lost, this is why we call it history. every empire had lost and everyone will lost one day.
but it seemed to me that u have no idea about how the ottoman system worked in the lands they conquered. i meant this.

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Post by MissLT » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:32 pm

One example,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Until the late 19th century, the Armenians were referred to as millet-i sadika (loyal nation) by the Ottomans.[citation needed] However, unlike Muslim citizens, Armenians, Greeks, other Christians, Jews, and other minorities, were subject to laws which gave them fewer legal rights and they were subject to numerous limitations in legal rights in the empire: Armenians were barred from serving in the military (in its stead, forced to pay an exemption tax), their testimony in Islamic courts was inadmissible against Muslims, were not allowed to bear arms, were heavily taxed and treated overall as second-class citizens.[2] As the largest minority present in the Ottoman Empire, Armenians were in effect, infidels in the eyes of Muslims, as described by British ethnographer William Ramsay: (copied)

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Post by MissLT » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:35 pm

Anyway, I think this could be considered as history or politics talk, so there's no need to go on since the new rule has been established.

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Post by feanor » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:25 am

LennyeTran wrote:One example,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Until the late 19th century, the Armenians were referred to as millet-i sadika (loyal nation) by the Ottomans.[citation needed] However, unlike Muslim citizens, Armenians, Greeks, other Christians, Jews, and other minorities, were subject to laws which gave them fewer legal rights and they were subject to numerous limitations in legal rights in the empire: Armenians were barred from serving in the military (in its stead, forced to pay an exemption tax), their testimony in Islamic courts was inadmissible against Muslims, were not allowed to bear arms, were heavily taxed and treated overall as second-class citizens.[2] As the largest minority present in the Ottoman Empire, Armenians were in effect, infidels in the eyes of Muslims, as described by British ethnographer William Ramsay: (copied)
ok, i see, and when our topic is this so-called genocide, it will be an extremely political talk.
i dont mean to contradict your rules but just to notify you and anybody who reads these

http://www.anarmenianmyth.com/
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/
http://www.armenianreality.com/armenian ... carthy.htm

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Post by MissLT » Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:55 pm

There's a topic about this whole thing at this site. You can read it to see how people responded and remain on your side if you wanted to.

http://www.englishforums.com/English/Ar ... r/Post.htm

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Post by wllsp » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:02 pm

Admiral wrote:I find it gosh Germans don't want turkeys to be in Germany because they have racist feelings towards turkeys. What Merkel said etc. only mirrors this great racist feeling.
I disagree. To me it means that Turkey is just not suitable right now for joining the EU. There are lots of unresolved problems surrounding this issue and it would be incorrect to narrow down all of them simply to racism.
Admiral wrote: Geografically and similarity spoken, I don't think turkey should go to EU, not because I am racist feeling, only because (if you look on the map) turkey rather belongs to Asia than to Europe.
If Russia is not Europe then Turkey shouldn't be Europe, neither.
Interestingly, Cyprus is in Asia, but it is a EU member. If Turkey were a prosperous stable state like Cyprus most european leaders would ignore the fact that it is rather an asian country.

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Post by istattack » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:47 pm

Feanor, I think EU is trying to prove that EU is christian union.bye the way France put the Armenian Genocide(so-called) to a veto,and ıt was accepted in their parliament.this is the first step to actualize their egregious aspiration.Armenians says 'we are associate'but France is still trying the world to accept a frivolity: Armenian Genocide(so-called)(!).
A French historian became Turkish citizen.Did you ask yourself why???because;he coluld not stand these fable anymore.and these pictures which is about killed Armenians(!)were taken by Armenians.they are not Armenians.they are Turks!!!please don not believe everything.This is accepted by all the historians.see you byees

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Post by Admiral » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:14 pm

wllsp wrote:I disagree. To me it means that Turkey is just not suitable right now for joining the EU. There are lots of unresolved problems surrounding this issue and it would be incorrect to narrow down all of them simply to racism.
Turkey has tried many years to get into EU. Ok, the thing with Cyprus is hard but if Turkey allows Cprus ships into its harbours I don't see other disadvantages.

I also guess like istattack thatEU wants itself to be a Christian country instead of a multireligious country. For example in Germany they forbid muslim teachers to wear headscarf, I don't see the reason.

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Post by feanor » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:58 pm

istattack wrote:
A French historian became Turkish citizen.Did you ask yourself why???because;he coluld not stand these fable anymore.and these pictures which is about killed Armenians(!)were taken by Armenians.they are not Armenians.they are Turks!!!please don not believe everything.This is accepted by all the historians.see you byees
you misunderstood it. they are all turkish people and it is writthen under each picture who they are
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