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Children should take both parents' surnames.

Postby TalkingPoint » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:08 pm

It would be a good idea for children to take the surnames of both their parents.

Do you agree?
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Postby Dixie » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:30 pm

That happens in some countries already, like Spain.

I have both my parents' surnames. My first surname is my father's, my second surname's my mother's. What I don't agree with is the fact that at first the first surname always had to be the father's. Fortunately, this has changed and now you can have your mother's surname as your first.

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Postby mamuta » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:50 am

I agree, no problem for me, but I notice some difficulties in the future. How should we name our grandchilden? :?

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Postby MissLT » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:55 pm

Dixie wrote:That happens in some countries already, like Spain.

I have both my parents' surnames. My first surname is my father's, my second surname's my mother's. What I don't agree with is the fact that at first the first surname always had to be the father's. Fortunately, this has changed and now you can have your mother's surname as your first.

So your mom's is your middle name then? Or are those last names joined? :?

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Postby Dixie » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:52 pm

LennyeTran wrote:So your mom's is your middle name then? Or are those last names joined? :?


In my country, women do not take their husband's surname when they get married. That's why I chuckled when you called my mom "Miss Carceller" :wink: That's my father's name. My mother's last name is Guzman. So my surnames are Carceller Guzman.
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Postby Dixie » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:53 pm

mamuta wrote:I agree, no problem for me, but I notice some difficulties in the future. How should we name our grandchilden? :?


Children take their parents' first surnames. Their children, then, do the same. The second surname is going to be lost on the way.

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Postby MissLT » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:50 pm

Dixie wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:So your mom's is your middle name then? Or are those last names joined? :?


In my country, women do not take their husband's surname when they get married. That's why I chuckled when you called my mom "Miss Carceller" :wink: That's my father's name. My mother's last name is Guzman. So my surnames are Carceller Guzman.

:lol: No wonder. I thought I forgot to call her Mrs. instead. So, you have a middle name also right? And you use the last-middle-first name pattern?

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Postby Dixie » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:26 pm

LennyeTran wrote: :lol: No wonder. I thought I forgot to call her Mrs. instead. So, you have a middle name also right? And you use the last-middle-first name pattern?


I don't have a middle name. Well, there was a time when it was a tradition to name girls Maria plus the name chosen. I was one of those unfortunate kind. So I have two names (Maria Mercè) but I only use that in bureaucratic situations.

What do you mean by "the last-middle-first name pattern"?

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Postby mamuta » Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:04 am

Dixie wrote:...My first surname is my father's, my second surname's my mother's...this has changed and now you can have your mother's surname as your first...Children take their parents' first surnames...

Hm, interesting. Now I see some problems. For example: you and your brother - is it possible you have different first surname if your parents wanted to? And imagine parents with two sons: they could have different first surnames so their children would have totally various surnames :? A bit complicated, isn't it? And what about family tradition?

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Postby Dixie » Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:23 am

mamuta wrote:Hm, interesting. Now I see some problems. For example: you and your brother - is it possible you have different first surname if your parents wanted to? And imagine parents with two sons: they could have different first surnames so their children would have totally various surnames :? A bit complicated, isn't it? And what about family tradition?


No, that's not possible. Parents can decide the order of the surnames, but I don't think it's allowed for the children to have the surnames in different order. That would be a mess!

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Postby MissLT » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:43 pm

Dixie wrote:
LennyeTran wrote: :lol: No wonder. I thought I forgot to call her Mrs. instead. So, you have a middle name also right? And you use the last-middle-first name pattern?


I don't have a middle name. Well, there was a time when it was a tradition to name girls Maria plus the name chosen. I was one of those unfortunate kind. So I have two names (Maria Mercè) but I only use that in bureaucratic situations.

What do you mean by "the last-middle-first name pattern"?

Ha, same like Vietnam. Once upon a time girls in Saigon got their middle name as Thi and guys's as Van or Minh. All of my aunts and uncle got those, including my mom. We were born when my grandma decided to stop the tradition by giving her grandchildren different middle name. (not a lovely one, anyway). My dad named me and my brother; therefore, we have different middle name then the rest of the kids in the family. 8)

i mean, is it M. Maria Carceller Guzman or the other way around?

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Postby MissLT » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:51 pm

mamuta wrote:
Dixie wrote:...My first surname is my father's, my second surname's my mother's...this has changed and now you can have your mother's surname as your first...Children take their parents' first surnames...

Hm, interesting. Now I see some problems. For example: you and your brother - is it possible you have different first surname if your parents wanted to? And imagine parents with two sons: they could have different first surnames so their children would have totally various surnames :? A bit complicated, isn't it? And what about family tradition?

Two of my grandma's brothers have different last names. One has the mother's, and the other one has the father's even though they share the same father. She said at that time the kid could carry the last name of whoever was present. My great-grandpa was on his business trip when his wife gave birth; hence, the different last name. They didn't really care much. I think this is better than just take the father's last name only since I think I deserve to carry my mom's last name. Why would my dad get the privilege when he never raised me? :roll:

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Postby Dixie » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:50 pm

LennyeTran wrote:i mean, is it M. Maria Carceller Guzman or the other way around?


It is Maria Mercè Carceller Guzman. Maria Mercè would be my full name. Nobody calls me that anyway. Well, except for some teachers I had in high school :evil:

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Postby mamuta » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:17 am

Dixie wrote:... I don't think it's allowed for the children to have the surnames in different order. That would be a mess!

but you are not sure, aren't you? That's the point :roll:

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Postby Dixie » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:12 pm

mamuta wrote:but you are not sure, aren't you? That's the point :roll:


I'm not sure because it never occurred to me, therefore I have never bothered to check. However I'm quite sure it's not possible. What a mess! :D

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Postby crystalfrogw » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:10 am

It is not important whether the kid takes the surname of the father's or the mother's.........name is just a meaningless mark. no matter what your name is, you are you.......

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Postby mamuta » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:29 am

Thx LennyeTran for your fascinating family story :)

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Postby MissLT » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:31 pm

Dixie wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:i mean, is it M. Maria Carceller Guzman or the other way around?


It is Maria Mercè Carceller Guzman. Maria Mercè would be my full name. Nobody calls me that anyway. Well, except for some teachers I had in high school :evil:

So middle name, first name, and then last name. Interesting! If you were in the States, your first name would be Maria, middle name is Merce and Carceller, and last name is Guzman. Otherwise, those last names have to be joined..

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Postby nemo » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:00 am

hi... good morning....
well.....using surname is bot very popular in my country..... just for certain people like chinese and Indians...but.... no problem actually

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Re: "Children should take both parents surnames."

Postby mamuta » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:13 pm

pocahontex wrote:...it will make a long name. Sometimes you'll face a difficulty to write your name onto a test paper because there is not enough room to write such a long name.

I haven't thought about it but you're absolutely right!

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Postby shivayona » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:53 am

Nice topic.
I agree, that chlidren should take their surename.
for example, in indonesia there are many region in my country and the different culture too. I don't have midle name but, i have the surename that signed i'm from karonese. One of the area in North Sumatera that surrounding of the mount, sinabung, sibayak and bukit barisan that's Tanah Karo (Karo Land) In my culture, everyody should have surename that borrow from her/his father. And the surename is still divides in subsurnames. So, if we introduce myself to the other people, in karonese called, ertutur. That can show how very strength the relation of family we have.
So, using the surename is one way that we can keep our culture in my bornplace.
Thank you for all. (in karonese = Bujur)
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