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30 killed on Virginia Tech campus

Postby MissLT » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:45 pm

F! Another shooting!

:x See, Danyet, this is the reason why the right to bear arms is stupid!

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Re: 30 killed on Virginia Tech campus

Postby Shazzam » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:57 am

LennyeTran wrote:F! Another shooting!

:x See, Danyet, this is the reason why the right to bear arms is stupid!


Hi Lenny when this hit the news here I nearly died. I just can't believe it. So stupid!! So many innocent people caught up in this bull...t. OMG I just feel so badly for the families. As for Danyet's attitudes towards guns i would prefer not to go there because we will always be at odds. It is ok to be a cowboy and bear arms when you need to shoot wolves etc, but people are another thing. Thanks Lenny for posting this i'm so glad that someone did. I just hate this type of stuff it actually hurts to think that society is ok with kids killing kids!!

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Postby Dixie » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:17 pm

I just can't understand why citizens are allowed to have arms in the States.

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Postby MissLT » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:44 pm

We have the right to bear arms but not to bear breasts. :roll: America is getting weird and weirder every day to me. I'm so moving to Switzerland when I have enough money.

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Postby MissLT » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:46 pm

I just read the update today. It seems like he's a loner and got dumped by his girlfriend or something like that. He was mad, so he killed his girlfriend and bunch of other students. The scary thing they said is that there was no emotion in his eyes although he was smiling. What a psycho!

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Postby Danyet » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:30 pm

It is more likely that he barely knew the girl.

It only would have taken one person there with a little training and a weapon,to have prevented that killer from such a big spree.

When I was in college I had a gun on my belt most days. I would not have lined up along the wall and waited to be shot like those obedient students did.

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Postby MissLT » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:52 pm

The sad thing is that not many students were aware of what was going on. They sent the email to warn students. Emails?!?!??! What the...?

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Postby vince90 » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:13 pm

It really pisses me off that they did not shut down the campus in earlier shooting. There is something wrong with the security school department. You're right Lenny. What the **** that they use email to warn students. Do they really don’t have other methods? Give me a break.
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Postby MissLT » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:01 pm

Exactly. The fault falls on the school security. Something was seriously going on with it. They didn't believe it or something? They shoulda evacuated the students out of the campus and shut it down as soon as the first shooting went on.

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Postby jrkp » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:59 pm

What a Tragedy!!! Firstly, I´d like to express for this media, my condolences to the families of the victims. I know when you are facing a situation like this, there are not words to ease your pain, but I want you to know that my thoughts and my prayers are with you.

I must confess when I heard the news for the first time, I was in shock!! I couldn´t believe that a human being was capable of doing something so terrifying!!!. In moments like this, it´s impossible not to lose your fate in mankind. But suddendly, I came across with this news and I realize that despite all the madness we are living nowadays, there are person who give you hope to keep beliving in humanity:


Israeli Professor Tried to Save Students' Lives
By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
April 17, 2007

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Former colleagues said research and teaching were very important to Liviu Librescu, a professor from Israel who was among those murdered at Virginia Tech on Monday. He died trying save his students' lives.

Librescu, 75, immigrated to Israel from formerly communist Romania more than 25 years ago. He later moved to the U.S. and became a lecturer at Virginia Tech's Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics. He had been teaching there for 20 years.

A Holocaust survivor, Librescu died on the same day that Israel was marking Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Day.

A brilliant scientist, Librescu didn't even have a drivers' license because research was everything for him, said Tel Aviv University Professor Jacob Aboudi. He never paid attention to luxuries, Aboudi said in a telephone interview. "He cared about the students."

A student in Librescu's class, Alec Calhoun, told the Associated Press that Librescu's class heard a "thunderous sound" from the classroom next door as the gunfire erupted on Monday.

Calhoun was among those who jumped out of a second floor window. Before he leapt, he said, he turned around and saw Librescu attempting to block the door. He was shot and killed.

"He was an extraordinary person," said Dr. Doron Shalev. Shalev received his doctoral degree in mechanical engineering from Virginia Tech. During his five years there, Shalev said he studied under Librescu and later worked with him in writing a number of academic papers.

"He was totally devoted to research and teaching. He was a person with a special [sense of] human," Shalev told Cybercast News Service.

He never spoke about the Holocaust, but in the early hours of the morning after finishing their work together, Librescu would share with Shalev details about his life in Romania. After writing a book in Romania, Librescu risked his life to smuggle it out to the West page by page, Shalev said.

When Librescu decided to leave Romania for Israel, he was fired from his job, as was customary in communist countries in the 1970s. But he left his house every day as if to go work and studied in a library so the neighbors wouldn't know that he had lost his job, said Shalev.

Some of the habits he developed in Romania stuck with him. He was always afraid his home was bugged, so if he had something important to discuss with his wife he would go outside. Even in Blacksburg, Virginia, he stuck to that habit, Shalev said.

Shalev described Blacksburg as "heaven on earth." He said he once had an office in Norris Hall, where at least 30 of the victims were killed on Monday. One of his children was born there, he said.

"We never locked our houses or cars. This is a place of no crime," he said. Now to think that worst massacre ever in the history of the U.S. happened there, he said, "it's beyond any understanding."

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Postby MissLT » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:07 pm

I know. I cried so much when I heard his story. He could survive the Holocaust but not this one. How cruel! :cry: :cry:

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Postby MissLT » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:56 am

More of him

This guy clearly was sick! I wonder what happened to him back then. Was he abused or molested? :shock:

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Postby Shazzam » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:50 am

LennyeTran wrote:More of him

This guy clearly was sick! I wonder what happened to him back then. Was he abused or molested? :shock:


Maybe none of the above Lenny he might just be a sick p.ick???!!! What is really frightening is that everyone thinks that these situations are isolated to US soil, they aren't. You only have to look at what happened in Russia. Personally I think my country is a ticking time bomb for this sort of thing. I have heard stories for years about kids carrying knifes and kids getting stabbed. Just a few years ago a kid bought a arrow gun (don't know the name but they are banned here) over the internet and went to a local high school and shot his girlfriend and another girl through the leg. Two boys at the school tackled him to the ground before he could do anymore damage. It is only a matter of time!

I think the one thing that helps in my country is the strong gun laws we have in place. I know that Danyet will firmly disagree with this as he believes that everyone should carry a gun; just like a mobile phone. For what reason I don't know? Personally I have never needed to feel that insecure. I think s..it happens you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. However having said that I feel the US has a gun happy culture. People weild them around like NIKE shoes in the streets.

It is one thing to say you should have one for protection (which ultimately is stupid) but another to say you should just carry arms for the sake of it. Personally I think the only people that should carry fire arms are the people that are paid and licensed to do so for the protection of others, i.e. police, military, security.

Just my opinion. I think countries like the US have to start cutting back on the sale of guns for private use, plus investigate people further prior to issuing gun licenses (it is an open market).

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Postby Danyet » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:17 pm

Personally I think the only people that should carry fire arms are the people that are paid and licensed to do so for the protection of others, i.e. police, military, security.
How is only police having LEGAL guns going to help me? The police only arrive in time to draw white chalk lines around dead bodies. And that is exactly ALL THEY DID AT VIRGINIA TECH. The police did not save even ONE person there!!

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Postby MissLT » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:33 pm

Shazzam wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:More of him

This guy clearly was sick! I wonder what happened to him back then. Was he abused or molested? :shock:


Maybe none of the above Lenny he might just be a sick p.ick???!!!

The latest news I read said that he was picked on and teased in school

Why he was mean

It's so sad! I kinda felt sorry for him for a bit there. Kids can be really cruel. And I don't know where they picked up those cruel phrases from. :roll:

Shazzam wrote:What is really frightening is that everyone thinks that these situations are isolated to US soil, they aren't. You only have to look at what happened in Russia. Personally I think my country is a ticking time bomb for this sort of thing. I have heard stories for years about kids carrying knifes and kids getting stabbed. Just a few years ago a kid bought a arrow gun (don't know the name but they are banned here) over the internet and went to a local high school and shot his girlfriend and another girl through the leg. Two boys at the school tackled him to the ground before he could do anymore damage. It is only a matter of time!

Exactly! Japan and Vietnam are also another examples, I think. Last time I heard one kid killed himself because he was bullied in school in Japan. And in Vietnam, one kid killed herself because the teacher humiliated her in front of the whole class. I mean, when you think of school, you never thought this kinda thing would happen. The educational area, where students learn to be good people and look what's happened.

Shazzam wrote:I think the one thing that helps in my country is the strong gun laws we have in place. I know that Danyet will firmly disagree with this as he believes that everyone should carry a gun; just like a mobile phone. For what reason I don't know?

Last night we and my uncle debated about this, and I think he got some good points. He said one example: with a crime rate in the US, especially where we live, it'd be more protected if we're allowed to carry guns as a personal protection. It's because there are police in the city to protect the residents; however, what if those bad guys put one house on fire and then went to rob another house while the police and firemen were helping that house? The whole city could have gone chaotic if the citizens couldn't protect themselves.

Shazzam wrote:Personally I have never needed to feel that insecure. I think s..it happens you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. However having said that I feel the US has a gun happy culture. People weild them around like NIKE shoes in the streets.

Not all, though.

Shazzam wrote:It is one thing to say you should have one for protection (which ultimately is stupid) but another to say you should just carry arms for the sake of it. Personally I think the only people that should carry fire arms are the people that are paid and licensed to do so for the protection of others, i.e. police, military, security.

This is why they asked, is it guns that kill people or is it people who kill people?

Shazzam wrote:Just my opinion. I think countries like the US have to start cutting back on the sale of guns for private use, plus investigate people further prior to issuing gun licenses (it is an open market).

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But the thing is that when bad people want to get something, there are tons of ways to get it in the black market. So, my concern is, how could we control it, so guns could only be reached to certain kinda people?

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Postby vince90 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:44 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Shazzam wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:More of him

But the thing is that when bad people want to get something, there are tons of ways to get it in the black market. So, my concern is, how could we control it, so guns could only be reached to certain kinda people?


Also gun is not the only the option that using to kill people when his mind really turns into evil side. He could use anything such as a home make bomb, a knife, a hammer or a pair of scissors to hurt other people.

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Postby Danyet » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:05 am

I think that the biggest failure here is that the records that showed that he was dangerous were ignored by a judge, who refused to have him treated in a state hospital. This was even after psychologists had said that he was dangerous to the public.

Therefore, when he went into the store to purchase a gun the check that was done on him to see if he could be trusted with a weapon showed nothing!!

If the people who were responsible for treating his mental illness had all done their jobs he would have been listed as "Unstable" and would have been on a list of people that could not buy a gun. The gun store owner would have seen this list and would not have sold any firearm to him. I'm not sure but I think also that he would have been reported to the police for trying to buy a gun afterwards.
We already have plenty of gun laws, we just need to see that these laws are obeyed properly.

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Postby Romantic » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:32 am

First of all I present my condolences to the families who have been lost their lovers, I was totally shocked when I heard the news, no mankind can do such a horrible thing like that , yeah he is a psycho and terrorist, and what happened there because there is no prohibited for using gun, I mean everybody can use it whether with a license or not this is insane.

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Postby MissLT » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:45 am

vince90 wrote:
Also gun is not the only the option that using to kill people when his mind really turns into evil side. He could use anything such as a home make bomb, a knife, a hammer or a pair of scissors to hurt other people.

Exactly. My biology teacher once said, even a person who had a high school level of chemistry could be capable of making anthrax to kill bunch of people in a subway. Thankfully we don't have that many crazy psychos out there!

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Postby MissLT » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:51 am

danyet wrote:I think that the biggest failure here is that the records that showed that he was dangerous were ignored by a judge, who refused to have him treated in a state hospital. This was even after psychologists had said that he was dangerous to the public.

Yeah, I wonder why he wasn't treated properly. Did his family pull him out of the treatment, or the authority decided that he would be fine afterwards? I mean, it'd be imbecile if they thought he would be fine by himself.

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Postby Shazzam » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:55 am

danyet wrote:I think that the biggest failure here is that the records that showed that he was dangerous were ignored by a judge, who refused to have him treated in a state hospital. This was even after psychologists had said that he was dangerous to the public.

Therefore, when he went into the store to purchase a gun the check that was done on him to see if he could be trusted with a weapon showed nothing!!

If the people who were responsible for treating his mental illness had all done their jobs he would have been listed as "Unstable" and would have been on a list of people that could not buy a gun. The gun store owner would have seen this list and would not have sold any firearm to him. I'm not sure but I think also that he would have been reported to the police for trying to buy a gun afterwards.
We already have plenty of gun laws, we just need to see that these laws are obeyed properly.


I agree! That is what I meant by INVESTIGATION! The people that sell these guns are limited by the information provided I am aware of that. The laws need to be looked at!!! :twisted:


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