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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Elham » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:42 pm

Dear friends,

Just to remove dear Behnam's worry about your judgement I have to give an explanation.
As I told you. I behaved too rudely too him, I don't want to mention it here, I feel ashamed, but I made Behnam shocked by my rude and unbelievable behavior, I made him very sad. He didn't expect Elham to behave this way. He had right to regret, even if I were him, I would make the same decision as he did! Every wise person would do the same. Just as he explained, the fruit tree is unable to give sweet trees, it's dried! :-( So there's no any other way but to remove it and plant a new fruitful tree on behalf. There are special trees for decoration and making the environment green.

Anyway, after what happened I feel ashamed to attend here anymore. I do accept the fact and the result of my behavior. :oops:

Thanks, bye


PS. Dear Amal, thanks for your kind post. Don't mix things with each other. I was just a simple member of the thread. My absence doesn't change anything. Go on writing and be sure that I read them all. You are a very green and lovely tree with very sweet fruits, the garden needs you. :-)

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Shaghayegh » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:53 am

Hi. I'm Shaghayegh, from Iran,24. And I'm software engineering student at university of Tehran. Honestly, I've wanted to join here because I'm trying to learn English, but very soon i realized here has a most friendly atmosphere and i really like it. So I hope to can be a good friend and member like others here. At first i realized a big number of members are Iranian. am I right?

I want to speak a little about my English abilities (if there are :)) ). So , I'm good in reading and listening. But ,as you see, I'm terrible in writing and speaking! One reason of this is I've been reading books and sources in English and there wasn't any pressure on me or even need to learn speaking and writing. I've learned a lot of words and studies many English texts, but I can't use them when I need them! When I decided to continue my studying in USA, I've realized that my inabilities in English speaking and writing are big shortage to success :( . Now I'm trying to improve my English writing in anyway i can. I study and exercise about 8 hours of day.Listening to musics, watching movies, using English learning programs etc. Very soon I've understood that the best way to learn English is just trying to involve myself in speaking with others.

Finally, excuse me there are errors. Still I can't speak fluently. But I'm trying to improve that.
In next post i will speak more about myself and now I'm reading the rest of posts here to know better you.
Thanks a lot.

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What do we do?

Postby behnam » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:29 pm

Hi Elham,

How are you? I hope you are fine and the hot weather of Najafabad doesn't bother you, but I guess it does since you have always complained about Najafabad's hot weather and praised Azerbaijan for its cool weather in summers. I also dislike hot climates.

Elham, sometimes it happens, we make a mistake but we don't try to find a way to correct it. Our selfishness(something inside us; I don't know what it is, maybe stubbornness is a proper word for this purpose) tempts us to give some insensible reasons for our actions or decision. Giving incorrect reasons or making faulty logic results in further mistakes.

Elham, this thread isn't mine. I am a member of this thread. You are also a member of it. This thread belongs to people who write and read the posts. Therefore, it is wrong to let our personal problems influence our decision.

Elham, you know that many times I have decided to leave the thread, even to leave the Internet, but the right of people who are hidden and follow the posts( who are somehow spiritually, mentally, emotionally, etc connected to me and my posts) has stopped me from leaving.


I am sure, if I stop writing, or if I leave the Internet, you will become extremely sad. You are a good example. Other people have the same feeling about you and your posts. Therefore, there are some people who have emotional involvement with you. You should not let your selfishness or stubbornness hurt others' lives.

If you still follow your brother's advice, I advise you to continue writing. As I said above, many people follow your posts regularly. Do not impose emotional sanction on them! It is cruel to humanity to make someone lose hope!

The tree isn't dry! It has produced uneatable fruits, but there is a way to modify the tree! Ask your father for that special action; like tree surgery(in Farsi it is Peyvand zadan). :lol: :lol: :lol:

In my analogy, the tree is green and useful(not dry). Do not change my words! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

All the best,
Behnam, 6 July, 2013
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Re: Let's learn together!( AND ALWAYS )

Postby Moroo » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:49 am

Dear my beautiful friends Behnam and Elham

I'm not here for a long time but I feel all of us are family, it's sad to see beautiful friends like you both are not going to be friends anymore. :-(

I really don't know what had happened, but I have a story that happened to me maybe it can help.

I had a friend of mine and he was my cousin as well, we were very close friends during 35 years ago, we were two members of four close friends, we used to go out with each other etc…

Eight years ago I had a fight with him, in this fight I was very angry and I said very bad things and I insulted him.

The reason of this fight wasn't because of the ethics or other important things like that.

During those eight years I tried to call him and said to him that I'm really sorry, it's the first time for me to make you angry and we all do mistakes, please forgave me. but till now he refused to accept my apology.

because of him the situation now, we become two separated groups and we won't become one group again.

In my opinion I did a mistake but this mistake is nothing comparing with our situation now because we lose each other and he and I can't find another good friends like us.

What I want to say sense the problem not because of mainly things in the personality it can be fixed, we are human we all do mistakes and we will always do.

Hope I made my idea clear {-:

All the best

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby behnam » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:20 pm

Hi Moroo,

Many thanks for sharing your experience with us. I agree with you about our human-related faults and destructive emotions. We all make mistakes. That's OK. to make mistakes. Nobody should blame someone else for making mistakes, because nobody is perfect. However, some actions cannot be considered as mistakes. Therefore, mistake is a delicate matter, and it has many definitions.

A mirror is expected to reflect our face back. This is the main purpose of building a mirror. Imagine you buy a mirror from the market but it doesn't shows your face, or the picture isn't clear. This mirror doesn't work properly, or it doesn't function well. Therefore, this mirror has got some faults or defects. Faults and defects are different from mistake. The mirror just does not come to your expectations. In this case, the matter isn't forgiveness or forgetfulness. Something is against your expectations!

A tree should either give eatable fruits or make shadow, or give some greenness(some beauty) to the garden. When it is dry, it must be cut down! It doesn't work properly.

Fortunately, in our case(Elham-Behnam friendship), we both work quite well, but not completely well. At least we make some shadows, or we have some green leaves. Therefore, a wise gardener should not cut us down. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I believe, when someone doesn't come to our expectations, we must leave him/her, even though the person is our sister, brother, father or even mother! In other words, a dry fruit must be cut down, no matter it is apple tree or orange one!This is cruel, I know, but I do believe in it, and fortunately or unfortunately, I practically follow this policy in my life. Many people have told me that this way of thinking is wrong, but I haven't cared about other people's view on this matter.

In your case, I don't know what has happened, but I guess not only is your cousin's heart broken, but also it is smashed. The pieces are too small to be glued to each other. To put it another way, in your case, the problem isn't occurring some cracks in his heart, it is maybe smashing his heart into pieces. It won't work, even though you glue the pieces. It is maybe totally damaged. }: }: }:

I am in a hurry. I have to leave quickly. I didn't check the post. I hope my mistakes are not too many!

All the best,
Behnam, 7 July, 2013
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Maniya » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:28 pm

hi
a flower is beautifull for a day
but love a beautifull flower for ever

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Mohsen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:12 pm

Dear Friends,

During the last week I had not a regular life. There were three wedding ceremony which I had been invited ,and my life was changed, influenced by these ceremonies. One of them was a friend of mine , and the two other weddings were my relatives, My wife 'brother have a son and his son got married, my sister has a daughter who got married. My niece ceremony was the most important for me , and I was in my sister house for three days ,I was receipt by delicious foods ,different color sweet things and fruits.
Before interring to Holy Ramadan month ,it is a rush hour for wedding ceremony. Many couples try to hold their wedding ceremonies before Ramadan .
It also took time to think, consult for purchasing three good gifts for three couples of brides and grooms. The meeting I had with my wife was not effective for buying a gift and finally we bought gold with different values.
Sometimes living differently is enjoyable and it is worth to pay gold for it.

B.Wishes,
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Mohsen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:20 pm

Dear Elham,

My feeling about virtual world is different , the virtual world (forum ,chating,) is like a game ,we should attend it and enjoy it , it is not a place to be ashamed , to be bother , to be angry.
Off course as a Muslim I feel responsibility for what I say, even in a chat room, but I never been ashamed if I write rudely ,or write something insulting. If I make a mistake , I will instantly apologize for my mistake.
Please don't make your decision sensitively , I have a fellow citizen in this forum , you are my only hope who are able to resist against Azarbyjan,please don't leave me alone :cry: .

Waiting for you
Mohsen

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Mohsen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:51 pm

Dear Behnam,

Nice to hear that you enjoy you trip to your hometown. A good weather in north and visiting beautiful sceneries increased your morale to enjoy your life.
For the garden and the trees, A tree is getting dry ,because of bad soil , If we change the soil or fertilize the soil ,the try will be save . So it needs time, and we should give a chance to tree .
Your policy against people who doesn't come to your expectation is really a big mistake. Do you want to cut down your oppositions. God bless your wife, if she can't meet your expectation.
Being patience against a person who doesn't meet your expectation is the best policy , particularly people like parents and relatives. If you are a Muslim, you are not allowed to behave your own feeling. You have to obey your Islam instructions.
I don't know what happen between Elham and you. What she had done that she has decided to leave the forum. When Elham says she is ashamed of her wrong behavior , it is enough for a girl like Elham and she should come back.

B.Wishes
Mohsen

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A warm and friendly welcome to Shaghayegh!

Postby behnam » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:03 pm

Hi Shaghayegh,

Welcome to this thread and thank you very much for joining us. About the history of 'let's learn together!' and its members, it should be said that the first post was written by me on 7th of December 2007 on a site named http://WWW.English-at-home.com. The thread was really successful, because many people from different parts of the world were posting in it, and interesting topics were discussed by the members. The posts were gathered by Elham in four books(in PDF format) and uploaded on http://WWW.scribd.com. You can go there, search and easily find them.

After four years, we had to leave the site. We moved from English-at-home to another site and continued writing, but the site was isolated. After about one year, we moved to this powerful site. Many people for different purposes were reading and posting, but little by little we lost some of them. Some ladies got married and now they are busy with their families and personal matters. Some men went to university, and some people gave up learning English. {-:

Happily, some of us are still here. We are still practising. I hope you will participate actively in discussion and will make the atmosphere of the thread more friendly and nicer.

Your English is excellent. You write effectively and beautifully. Congratulations! I hope we will help each other with improving our English skills.

I hope to hear more from you.

All the best,
Behnam, 7 July, 2013

P.S. You can find some information about me on the first page. If you need more information about me just let me know. Please do not hesitate to share your ideas, experience, and points with us. I would welcome any advice or suggestions with open arms.
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby [amal] » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:30 pm

Hi Shaghayegh,

How are you?

Welcome to this thread.

Oh it is very nice to meet another Iranian lady here. In fact you are very kind and helpful people.
When I came to the internet my main aim was learning English then I met Behnam and Elham. They helped me a lot with my English and we'd become best friends. So it was like killing two birds with one stone. {-;

I am sure that this forum is a perfect way to improve your English so thanks for joining us and I hope you enjoy your time here.

Wish you the best.
Amal

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Elham » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:24 pm

Hi Mohsen,

Thanks for your words but presently I've made the right decision.

What? Resistance against Azerbaijan?????? I don't get. I love Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani people. What and why should i resist again?!

By the way, dear Behnam isn't making mistake about friendship. We make friends cause we gain sth from this relation, friends are different from family members. we don't owe them and there's no strong emotional connections between friends as there are among family members. When the relation doesn't meet our expectations why should we continue?
Behnam is right in this case. Please don't blame him.

B.wishes
E.

P.S. Dear Behnam, thanks for your post. But it's not like what you said, my absence doesn't change anything. You kindly exaggerated about it! :-) Wish you success and happiness.

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What do you mean?

Postby behnam » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:45 am

Hi Mohsen,

Thanks for your posts. You are one of the great and effective members of this thread.

I didn't get the point in your message to Elham which was as a piece of advice! Could you please explain it?

We are thinking about a dry tree in a garden. What should we do with that? We are not speaking about the reasons which have caused the tree to become dry. Answer me frankly Mohsen, what should we do with a dry tree in a garden?
Mohsen wrote:During the last week I had not a regular life. There were three wedding ceremony which I had been invited ,and my life was changed, influenced by these ceremonies. One of them was a friend of mine , and the two other weddings were my relatives, My wife 'brother have a son and his son got married, my sister has a daughter who got married. My niece ceremony was the most important for me , and I was in my sister house for three days ,I was receipt by delicious foods ,different color sweet things and fruits


Mohsen, regardless of your controversial posts and comments during our 5-year friendship on the Internet, only this paragraph is sufficient for an individual to take a wise guess about your personality. You are a self-loved person! I am a selfish and self-loved person too, but your level of narcissism is higher than that of mine. :lol: {-: :lol:

I wonder how you two Esfahani people are going to beat an Azerbaijani man, since as you know; as everybody knows; as the history says; as it is obvious from the history of Esfahan, Safavi kings who were originally from Azerbaijan made Esfahan famous. If your are proud of Naghshe Jahan square, for instance, it has been built by Safavi kings. :lol: :-D :lol:

Mohsen, forget beating Behanm, you cannot! :lol: :twisted: :lol:

All the best,
Behnam, 9 July, 2013
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Patience is a virtue!

Postby behnam » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:55 am

Hi Elham,

How are you? I hope you are very well. You are well aware of my opinion about friends and their importance. I am not exaggerating at all. You are one of the most important, effective and valuable people in this thread. Please keep on writing regularly and don't punish yourself and us. By the way, time is a great healer; emotional pain will grow less as time passes. Be patient my kind sister!

All the best,
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Mohsen » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:26 am

I wonder how you two Esfahani people are going to beat an Azerbaijani man, since as you know; as everybody knows; as the history says; as it is obvious from the history of Esfahan, Safavi kings who were originally from Azerbaijan made Esfahan famous. If your are proud of Naghshe Jahan square, for instance, it has been built by Safavi kings.


Dear Elham,
You see what I mean by saying resistance against Azarbaijani , I believe what dear Bahnam say is not right. What we have in Esfahan is from Safavi kings is wrong idea ,may he got this idea by reading forging documents . He should read the history books , Buildings in this era were built by Shaikh Bahaie and Mirdamad.What I heard about Shah Abbas greatness is that Shah Abbas made his child eyes blind . What Azarbaijanian did in Iran history is giving the half of Iran territory to the enemy in Ghajar era. :lol: :cry:
What do you think Elham ? Please help me to clear this point for Behnam.
waiting for your prompt reply.

Mohsen

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby romana » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:52 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm Romana I wanted to improve my writing through joining this thread. I find this thread so interesting and the members are very helpful. I am from Philippines, although English subject is part of our educational curriculum I still find it difficult to use it in writing and speaking as well. I am wishing to improve my skills in writing and speaking as this is so essential in my daily living. Please help me everyone to reach my goal. I would be very much appreciated if you correct my grammar and spellings. Thank you.

All the best,
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Shaghayegh » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:35 pm

Hi Dears Behnam and Amal.
Thank you very much for your hospitable kindness. I think and hope we can be good friends.
Behnam;
I have some dramatic stories about my internet and specially forum activities too. I don't if you know about forum.persiantools.com. I've been an active member there and had many friends. Yesteryear, under pressure of government , administrator decided to close many popular and even scientific ,historic ,art ... threads and ban many users. by this many valuable posts and threads has been deleted:( , and as more important , I've lost some of my best friends:((.
I've shifted my activities to some other forums but after months I couldn't make friendship like persiantools. I despaired and left all forum activities.
After months because I've decided to continue studying abroad, I've been searching for English learning resources and found this site by chance.And I surprised! Now I'm happy for friendly speaking here without censorship.And I promise I will be here ever I can if this site be alive and even I married:))
And dear Behnam I know that my English is terrible :)) Specially about tenses. But I'm really trying to improve my English abilities. I request you to tell me any error in my writings. I'll be so grateful for your helps.
Amal;
I'm happy to see Iranians who interested in English Learning here too. We can understand and help ourselves better than other nations.can't?
Thank you so much and Can I ask about your sex?

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby [amal] » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:56 pm

Hi Shaghayegh,

How are you?

Thanks for your reply, I love to read from you.

I am female from Damascus- Syria.

I understood what you wrote to Behnam because we had have the same feelings. After closing the old Let's learn together, I've lost a lot of friends. However thank god that my best friends are still here with me. -Elham and Behnam- :roll: :-)

Today is Ramadan, I want to wish you happy days. can I ask you about your custom. Do you make special food for the first day? Do you visit your relative?

Wish you the best.
Amal

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Postby [amal] » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:08 pm

Hi Friends,

How are you?

May This Ramadan be as bright as ever.
May this Ramadan bring joy, health and wealth to you.

May this Ramadan bring in u the most
brightest and choicest happiness and
love you have ever Wished for.

Wish you a very happy Ramadan Mubarak

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Shaghayegh » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:40 am

Shaghayegh wrote:administrator decided to close many popular and even scientific ,historic ,art ... threads and ban many users.

Correct : and to ban

Shaghayegh wrote: I've shifted my activities to some other forums but after months I couldn't make friendship like persiantools.

Better and correct: I shifted My activities to some other forums but after a while I realized I can't make friendships like PersianTools.

I've been searching for English learning resources

Correct: I was searching
:oops:
Any more error? {-:

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Happy Ramadan!

Postby behnam » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:34 am

Hi friends,

First of all, I'd like to take this opportunity to tell all Muslim friends a friendly 'Happy Ramadan!'. I am not in a position to give speech about Ramadan like what religious men(clerics) do, or to write poems about it. I merely say: Please pray for me-remember me-when you are breaking your fasting. In particular, I ask female friends for praying, because God is male and then puts them first. This is what we men do when interacting with ladies. A man is often kinder to women than to other men. Why? I don't know! Do you think God take men and women equal? Give reasons! :lol: :-D :lol:

Dear Mohsen, I am not good at history, but some facts are not deniable. I believe, Safavi kings provided opportunities to genius people to design and manage important projects like 'Aleeghapu', 'Monarjonban', etc. in that era. If you have a different view, I respect it. By the way, I am originally from Azerbaijan, and as everybody, I am proud of my motherland. It is your right to be proud of yourself and your city too. As a matter of fact, every individual MUST feel proud of his/her nation, otherwise s/he cannot justify having a sense of belonging to the culture in a society.

Dear Shaghayegh, so many thanks for replying. Neither am I exaggerating, nor am I paying some nice compliments to make you happy. but your English is excellent. You write beautifully and effectively. As far as I'm concerned, your English is much better than that of mine. It is so nice to know that you like this thread and have intended to stay here until the time the site is active. How long have you been learning English? I hope we will help each other make good progress in our English skills.

About the forums, I am sure every site has its special rules and limits. For example, politics and religion are two heated topics. I speak from a bitter experience. Discussing political and religious issues always creates tension, hostility, and hatred which all result in unnecessary fights. We should avoid them. In addition to that, writing about immoral things is not acceptable. Degrading a nation, a culture, a person, a ceremony, an opinion, a philosophy, etc. is not reasonable. However, giving constructive criticism is appreciated and valuable.

There is a fine line between criticizing and degrading! In many cases, it is quite difficult to mind the line between them. I am personally one of the careless people when it comes to minding that delicate line between constructive criticism and degrading! This is one of my thousand weaknesses!

Dear other friends, please join us in discussing some topics. I hope to hear from you soon.

All the best,
Behnam, 10 July, 2013
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