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Posted: **August 5th, 2003, 5:13 pm**

We don't need to learn English grammar to speak English. Grammar is a waste of time.

Posted: **September 1st, 2003, 12:17 pm**

you may consider grammer unnecessary,yet it's everywhere in yiourmind among your words.

Posted: **September 20th, 2003, 3:30 pm**

grammar,a detailed grammar is unnecessary for learners.it is making you more confused while writig and speaking.for example ı've been studying grammar for several years..however,I cannot speak and write very well although my grammar notes are high.I'm an english learner in an üniversity...

Posted: **September 22nd, 2003, 3:49 pm**

Grammar is necessary to express him/herself correctly. In fact, to communicate in any language we need to form expressions by combining words according to its grammar rules. A word is in its turn just a combination of letters that has a sense according to the dictionary. Therefore, like we cannot obtain a word that has a sense by combining any set of letters, we cannot as well obtain a significant expression by combining words in any manner we want.

It is true that people can usually understand what we mean eventhough we don't respect grammar; but this is not a proof of our ability to express correctly, it is a proof of the intelligence of others, who are able to deduce what we mean from our erroneous expressions (like those of this message, which, I'm sure, won't prevent you of understanding what I would like to express!).

Abdelaziz Bouroumi
:) Rabat, Morocco

Posted: **September 23rd, 2003, 8:28 pm**

I ever believed that grammar and lecture are necessary to understand what do you needs to win challenges . otherwise the manner to think about you speak to be missunderstood is easy! how turn able our conversation ? we have to obtain as less as the right way to find source in grammar

Posted: **September 25th, 2003, 5:43 pm**

Hi,

I agree. Grammar is very important in English. This is basic to have clear understanding in English.

But, I find it is difficult to learn and understanding Grammar . I alway make mistake in grammar . Then, it is always make a receiver will not understand , confuse or misunderstanding what I talk .

On the other hand , it is comfortable and easy to understand when I see a goods essay in which is correct grammer .

Could you advise how to learn grammer and beginning interesting? Thanks.

Iris

Posted: **September 26th, 2003, 12:46 am**

grammar is quite essential in my idea. if you have to learn the language that isn't your native language, don't avoid it.
it doesn't matter if you just want to speak, but if you have to write it is a big deal.
learn and try to use it, you will find it is a piece of cake, believe me.

Posted: **September 26th, 2003, 4:29 pm**

This is great encouragement. Thank you for your advice. I found English more interest . No more dull . (especial in Grammar )

Although my English is not enough, I will keep learning and try to use . I do belive you. I will find it is a piece of cake and interest in English. I will find more treasure. Thanks. .....

Posted: **October 21st, 2003, 3:51 pm**

[I believe that grammar is important. It is needed in order for a language to make sense, and for others to understand what we're talking about. But it isn't everything! There are students who know the grammar rules "by heart" but can't speak or write English. I beleive that you need both grammar and vocabulary in order to communicate. I also feel that grammar is inseperable from vocabulary. :ideab][/b]

Posted: **October 28th, 2003, 9:44 am**

I don't think so. Grammar is a great thing. Grammar mistakes lead to misunderstanding. but I don't watn to talk about grammar I want to talk about everything you like. my E-mail [email protected] but most interesting is car tuning. Glad to hear from anybody.

Posted: **October 28th, 2003, 1:03 pm**

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but you cannot speak, write or fully understand English without a good grasp of grammar.

I always tell my students that if you think of vocabulary as the bricks of a language, grammar is the mortar that holds it all together and helps you build structures that won't fall down around your ears.

Some grammatical mistakes are not a problem but others can be disastrous.

Consider the difference between:-

"I forgot feeding the dog."

and

"I forgot to feed the dog."

One of these sentences is disastrous for the dog. But which one?

Learn English

Posted: **October 31st, 2003, 3:25 pm**

i donot think it is very useful of the english grammar,i have learned english about six years,during this years i spent all the time on it,and also got high score,but i cannot communicate with others,because when we chat with others we should not very slowly think about the grammar,and i think the best way is just readingand reading[/b]

Posted: **November 18th, 2003, 2:56 pm**

You have right.I would like to speak together more .Can you give me your e-mail?
I would like to know more about your country and your religion.
Magda
Romania

Posted: **November 27th, 2003, 3:25 pm**

No wonder... Birds of a feather flock together.
Grammar IS necessary - take it or leave it.
Otherwise, I mean what I say would equal I say what I mean.
Seems you mean to say you don't mean to say much. In this case just a smile will tell everything. No need to beat about the bush... er... Wouldn't it be a stupid smile?.. :?

Posted: **December 1st, 2003, 10:02 am**

OK. Every language consists of three elements: grammer, lexic and sounds. And you should not neglect any of these element, otherwise you will be understood incorrectly. Of course, you can help yourself with mimicry and gestures, but there are different situation, for example, when you ringing somebody up. That`s why I strongy recommend you to study English grammer properly. And you will be always equal to the occasion.

Posted: **December 3rd, 2003, 7:26 am**

well hi every one .
Ithink that grammar is important to learn the language , but only if we concedered the age of our pupils .
but as a teacher I think that the less we give ciriculam the more they can understand the language . Beside we can give more activiteis and explinations for them .
oh, one more thing i discovered that my pupils like to learn through plying .

Posted: **December 3rd, 2003, 7:29 am**

hi againe everyone
I guset wont to say that Im looking for friends
If you wont you can visie my in my e-mail :
[email protected]

Posted: **December 7th, 2003, 12:04 pm**

Likewise it is cheerfully. Thinking logically to feel confidenly about reading English

Posted: **December 7th, 2003, 12:29 pm**

Hello everyone,

I have read most of your opinions and I find them fairly interesting as they show the different ways to approach the learning of a foreing language.

I think that there is no one single or correct answer to that question. All depends we need the language for: children just need some words to supply their immediate necessities, no matter about countability. On the other hand, unlucky you if you don't know the difference between verb tenses in your FCE!

Kind regards,
Babelia.

Posted: **December 8th, 2003, 4:28 am**

Hi,I'm a new member of our Forum.I'm having many problems with English,because I very like this topic.I think that Grammar is a bored subject but so necessary in English,because without it,we cannot communicate properly with others,we can't speek,we can't read and we can't understand others .I feel that it is very difficult to learn English grammar,although I tried to study it.I'm looking some friend who has the same objective and problems in English.I hope will receive your replies,you can send mail for me at:
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Posted: **December 10th, 2003, 4:05 am**

Hello ! I have got many problems with Grammar,so I cannot have any inspied so as to study it,therefore I feel so bored with English Grammar.Although I'm trying to learn Grammar,but mastering it is a too big program for me,because I hope that,you will help me.Please give me some advice about learning English Grammar method.I'm really grateful about your help

Posted: **December 15th, 2003, 7:38 am**

Hi Iam new member of this forum . I have been facing many problem with english . so Iam very impressed on this topic . Grammer is necessary to understand language .we cannot go ahaed in any language without grammer. english isnot exception from that . Iam searching good way to know english grammer ,give me good advice whatever you can do .
dinu.

Posted: **March 16th, 2004, 4:02 pm**

I believe that grammar is important, because it encodes meaning and thus promotes understanding. Well, I can't speak for all of you, but when someone learns a foreign language, his/her goal over time is usually that the grammatical system of the language becomes "internalized". That is, the learner's brain correctly - or at least somewhat correctly - and subconsciously forms words and combines those words into sentences as they quickly rush out of the learner's mouth. Know what I mean?

Yeah I know, acquiring this ability takes time, but don't give up!
Let's assume that you just started to learn English (including grammar) - don't let your inability to produce grammatically perfect sentences keep you from trying to communicate. Communication can take place also when your grammatical ability in a language is weak. But hey, all of us had the same problem at the very beginning. Don't get discouraged and continue your studies. You'll succeed

Posted: **April 19th, 2004, 9:56 pm**

Anonymous wrote:No wonder... Birds of a feather flock together.
Grammar IS necessary - take it or leave it.
Otherwise, I mean what I say would equal I say what I mean.
Seems you mean to say you don't mean to say much. In this case just a smile will tell everything. No need to beat about the bush... er... Wouldn't it be a stupid smile?.. :?

Huh???????? and please don't say "take it or leave it" because it's rude. You can express your opinion, but don't be rude. The "take it or leave it" makes a person sound like he/she having a bad attitude. If you're learning a language, learn how to talk nice. 8)

Posted: **April 19th, 2004, 10:18 pm**

Babelia wrote:Hello everyone,
I think that there is no one single or correct answer to that question. All depends we need the language for: children just need some words to supply their immediate necessities, no matter about countability. On the other hand, unlucky you if you don't know the difference between verb tenses in your FCE!

Kind regards,
Babelia.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? I DO NOT understand what you're trying to say. It's really confusing. Are you trying to say that we don't need to learn grammar since kids don't learn grammar and they can talk? If this is what you're trying to say, can I ask you that you can see the difference between us and kids? We're not kids. We don't have to talk like kids. Besides, the difference between an educated person and an uneducated person is the way that person talks or writes. If you're in college and you talk or write like a 6 year-old kid, do you ever think of which way people will look at you? Studying is necessary and it doesn't matter what we should study for.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2004, 9:25 am**

You are the typical posh who thinks that speaking posh English is the best.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2004, 5:07 pm**

birrel wrote:You are the typical posh who thinks that speaking posh English is the best.

"either you don't do it or do it right" applies for everything--not necessary English.

Posted: **August 15th, 2004, 7:57 am**

Hi,everyone
Before I can speak English, I have the same feeling as others that grammer is useless,because I still can not open my mouth to speak English,however,I had got high marks in every examination. Now,I can communicate with others in English easily,the more I speak, the more I feel the importance of grammer.

When we speak English, it can be divided into three stages.The first is to greet with people,which is the basic and simple stage.The second is to discuss and the third is to debate,obviously,the latter two stages are more difficult and require more skills including the deep understanding of basic language knowledge,which is grammer. Suppose you are discussing or debating with your opposite,even if you make a small mistake in grammer,it can be the achilles' heel which the opposite take advantage of and attack you with. Any hope of your winning,therefore, will reduce to ashes. So is when you are making presentations and being interviewed and so on.

Grammer is not very important,which is applied in such situation that we learn to speak English.When we start to speak English,we are instructed not to bear much grammer knowledge in our mind and not to mind making grammer mistakes,otherwise it is very difficult to make progress.

Besides,a suggestion is made to measure the level of mastering grammer that if you can not explain the grammer points in an logical way in English,you can not say you have grasped it.

Posted: **August 15th, 2004, 8:13 am**

member wrote:Grammar is necessary to express him/herself correctly. In fact, to communicate in any language we need to form expressions by combining words according to its grammar rules. A word is in its turn just a combination of letters that has a sense according to the dictionary. Therefore, like we cannot obtain a word that has a sense by combining any set of letters, we cannot as well obtain a significant expression by combining words in any manner we want.

It is true that people can usually understand what we mean eventhough we don't respect grammar; but this is not a proof of our ability to express correctly, it is a proof of the intelligence of others, who are able to deduce what we mean from our erroneous expressions (like those of this message, which, I'm sure, won't prevent you of understanding what I would like to express!).

Abdelaziz Bouroumi
:) Rabat, Morocco

What you have said is concise and to the point.You can combine you precious thoughts with good grammer knowledge very well,It is also a proof that grammer is necessary and important to express any of our ideas,if we can not present them in an right and suitable way which should follows the basic grammer rules,How can we be understood?How can I appreciate you?
Thank you for the good explanation.

Posted: **October 15th, 2004, 2:11 pm**

Sometimes grammer exercises really made me sick,there are too many grammers in English,who create this languge?

Actually,I have enough ability to tough it out!If you catch every grains of it,you will be baffled.
Look throughout the English grammer,you will find that some of them do not obey the rules or laws all the time.And I think,the english speaking countries has the authorities to control their languge,and we should follow what they did.For example,the popular word used by many of us,"wanna" maybe comes from other counry nation in the first place,but then obsorbed into English later on.We all know that "wanna" means "want to",but when we use it,we often put a verb just after it.That's the obvious differnce to other verbs.

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We should discuss more specially about English grammar !

Help me ! Help me ! Please help me ! I have got many problem

We don't need to learn English grammar to speak English.Gram

Grammer is necessary and useful.

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Grammer:necessary but not crucial