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BOMB BLASTS IN BALI - at least 25 Killed!

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Postby Danyet » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:01 am

From The Age:

Prime Minister John Howard will urge Indonesia to ban terror group Jemaah Islamiah in the wake of the latest Bali bombings, which investigators say were masterminded by two prominent JI figures.

Mr Howard, after speaking with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono about the attacks, said yesterday they bore all the hallmarks of JI, and that Australia would again pursue a ban - which Jakarta has previously opposed.
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Postby Shazzam » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:02 am

danyet wrote:From The Age:

Prime Minister John Howard will urge Indonesia to ban terror group Jemaah Islamiah in the wake of the latest Bali bombings, which investigators say were masterminded by two prominent JI figures.

Mr Howard, after speaking with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono about the attacks, said yesterday they bore all the hallmarks of JI, and that Australia would again pursue a ban - which Jakarta has previously opposed.


You have to wonder "Why is Jakarta opposed to banning terror group Jemaah Islamiah?" It just doesn't make sense to me. Does this mean that they are happy to have groups like this in their country? :shock: :?
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Postby MissLT » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:04 am

I think it's because Indonesia is quite a Muslim country; therefore, they can't turn their back away from the Muslim. Right? :? :?
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Postby Danyet » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:47 am

LennyeTran wrote:I think it's because Indonesia is quite a Muslim country; therefore, they can't turn their back away from the Muslim. Right? :? :?
I think that you are onto something there.

This is partly what what I was getting at down in the Ramadan thread. Unfortunately it was deleted by Mr Love. It seems that Islam can not abide any criticism what so ever.

Anyway here is the latest from The Age on the progress of the survivors.

""""""SURGEON David Read points to an X-ray showing eight ball bearings embedded in the body of a Bali bomb survivor fighting for his life in Royal Darwin Hospital.

"This one is in the lining of the heart," Dr Read says, pointing to a small black dot on the X-ray. "We haven't removed it because it is more dangerous to remove than to leave alone."

But since the man and 22 other survivors of the blasts arrived at the hospital at the weekend doctors have removed enough shrapnel from their bodies to fill large shopping bags.

"Several large paper bags, shopping bags, have been filled up with various aspects of the shrapnel that's been picked up and retained," the hospital's medical superintendent, Len Notaras, said.

"We have federal agents on site collecting the samples," he said. "They are forensic evidence."

Doctors and nurses at the hospital have been shocked by the extent of injuries caused by the bombs that terrorists packed with bolts, ball bearings and other shrapnel to maim as well as kill.

Twelve of the most seriously injured sent to Darwin have undergone extensive surgery, some of them several times.


But near the end of a hectic second day of surgery yesterday, the Northern Territory's chief medical officer, Tarun Weeramanthri, declared: "I have some good news."

Medical specialists had decided that nine of the survivors from Newcastle, including two still on the critical list, were stable enough to be flown home.

"It's really important for patients to feel close to their family and friends," Dr Weeramanthri said.

An RAAF Hercules, manned by Defence Force medical staff and a Darwin hospital doctor, will fly the nine from Darwin to Newcastle's John Hunter Hospital this morning.

The group of three men and six women aged from 21 to 55 include a 50-year-old man who has wounds covering almost all his body and limbs.

Nine "walking wounded" from Batemans Bay, including a 10-year-old girl, were also expected to fly home on a commercial flight early today.

Doctors at the hospital had treated them for limb and eardrum injuries. Most were discharged late on Monday and had been staying at a Darwin hotel.

A 52-year-old Indonesian man and two Japanese men, aged 21 and 36, will be the only survivors remaining in Royal Darwin Hospital after the Newcastle group leaves this morning. They are in a critical but stable condition.

A seriously injured Newcastle man, 55, was transferred to Sydney's Prince of Wales Hospital late on Monday.

Asked whether doctors were now confident that all the victims evacuated to Darwin would survive, Dr Weeramanthri said: "We are absolutely confident that all the patients are progressing as well as they can, considering their injuries. That doesn't mean that they are completely out of the woods."

Dr Weeramanthri said all of the survivors were "still very muted".

"None of the patients are talking very much about what happened," he said.
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Postby Shazzam » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:37 am

I was watching the news last night; I feel very ignorant. :oops: I suppose I haven't really followed the muslim religion so I wasn't aware that Indonesia has such a massive population of muslims. The problem isn't with the muslim religion (i don't think) it is only certain sects of the religion. There needs to be tougher laws against the known groups that cause terrorist attacks. From the information that we are getting here; governments are watching these groups and both the Indonesian Government and Australian Government know who they are etc.
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Postby Shazzam » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:40 am

I live 55kms north of Newcastle (so basically a suburb of it). Newcastle is reeling from what has happened in Bali. There are alot of people in Newcastle that regularly travel to Bali (alot of my friends included). One of my friends was there about 12 months ago and she was there before the attacks in 2002 as well. She said that you can feel the difference; she won't be going back. Her words were "there is a feeling of desperation and fear on the streets." I can only imagine how bad it will be for the Balinese people after this recent attack. :cry:

My feelings are that the wave of terrorists that are bombing in Bali are targeting mostly Australians. I would say that this is because of our connection with the US and Britian in Iraq. It is a well known fact that Australian's are the main tourists. Most Australians will end up going back; it is just in their nature not to have anyone tell them what to do, especially this way.
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Postby MissLT » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:26 am

shazzam1452 wrote:I was watching the news last night; I feel very ignorant. :oops: I suppose I haven't really followed the muslim religion so I wasn't aware that Indonesia has such a massive population of muslims. The problem isn't with the muslim religion (i don't think) it is only certain sects of the religion. There needs to be tougher laws against the known groups that cause terrorist attacks. From the information that we are getting here; governments are watching these groups and both the Indonesian Government and Australian Government know who they are etc.

I don't think it is an easy thing to do, Shazzam. Most of those groups don't turn their backs on each other. It's hard to find out and by the time the authority got them, people were already hurt. For example, I think I've watched a documentary about Muslim groups in different countries, and I remember a part about Muslim groups in France. It was showing how hard to control those groups in France because they don't turn their backs on each other. In short, it was always an anonymous bombing or destroying somewhere that the police couldn't find out which group did it. Anyway, I'm gonna ask my boyfriend again for the title of that documentary.
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Postby Danyet » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:52 pm

It seems that the problem in Bali is that he Balinese people who have largely been Hindu have been swamped and colonized by an Indonesian government who are largely muslim and have refused to recognize the Hindu religion as legitimate, citing reasons such as Hindus not having a book like the Koran or the Bible to give authority to the Balinese people.

Therefore there is resentment between the Balinese and the influx of Indonesian Muslims. There have recently been instances of between Australians and Indonesians in Bali where Australians have demanded that Indonesians open up their bags when going into a restaraunt. Shouting matches have ensued where Indonesians have been told to"get off Bali and go back to Indonesia" and Australians have been told to, "Go back to Australia" by Indonesians.

The Australians visiting Bali and the Balinese people have always got along well together. Unfortunately Bali has become the killing ground for Islamic jihadists who don't mind killing a few Hindus in order to kill Aussies and other Westerners who they want out of what they consider now to be Muslim territory.
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Postby mr_Love » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:23 pm

i\m really sorry about them,,,


also in Iraq,, pepole killed daily,,,,,,

men,women, children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Danyet » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:56 am

Fight for life
By GARY SHIPWAY and CHRIS CARTER
04oct05

FIVE victims of the weekend's Bali bombings were last night fighting for their lives in Royal Darwin Hospital.
The next 48 hours have been described as critical in their battle to live.
Of the 23 bomb victims brought to Darwin from Bali by two Hercules aircraft yesterday, 13 are still in hospital. All will require surgery.

Two Australians, Brendan Fitzgerald, 16, from Busselton in Western Australia, and Jennifer Williamson, 48, from Newcastle in NSW, have been identified as being among the dead. A Newcastle couple, Colin Zwolinski, a mining company executive, and his wife Fiona are missing, feared dead.

Australians and other foreign tourists yesterday scrambled to escape the troubled holiday spot.

Many Territorians joined the exodus, several of them returning to Darwin yesterday. Among them was Sam Crawford, 29, who was welcomed home by her relieved daughter, Jade, 7.
Ms Crawford said witnesses and bystanders reacted to the attacks with a mixture of shock and confusion.
"There were two huge explosions ... very loud. We all looked to see what was going on, but we weren't fully aware what it was.
"We found out when we got back to our hotel.
"It was terrible."

Australian police are helping hunt for three accomplices suspected of detonating the bombs carried by suicide bombers, killing 22 people.

Indonesian police believe three triggermen may have detonated shrapnel bombs by calling mobile phones attached to the devices carried into three Bali cafes.

The injured in Royal Darwin include Australians, a Japanese tourist and some Balinese patients.
One patient has had to be transferred to the Prince of Wales Hospital in Sydney for further treatment for a complicated eye injury. The Bali explosions also wounded more than 120 people.

Amputations and multiple organ damage are among the injuries suffered by bombing victims, Royal Darwin Hospital acting manager Len Notaras said yesterday.
He said casualties airlifted to RDH suffered different injuries to those seen in the October 2002 bombings.

"The injuries are those injuries consistent with lethal bomb blasts," Dr Notaras said. "Anti-personnel bombs have within them things like nails, ball bearings, bolts and so on.
"We are treating a range of injuries from serious multi-organ injuries to eye, abdominal, lung and suspected spinal injuries. Many patients have perforated ear drums."
Dr Notaras said in the latest attacks anti-personnel injuries replaced the critical burns seen in "Bali One".

"During Bali One we saw 70 critically burnt patients. This time they haven't been critically burnt," he said.
"But something that's missed in the previous episode is that we have traumatic amputations, we have impalements, penetrating injuries."

Dr Notaras confirmed a patient was flown from RDH to Sydney's Prince of Wales Hospital for specialist treatment on an eye injury.

"He presented with severe abdominal injuries plus the injuries associated again with the peppering of the ball bearings and impalement penetrating injuries," he said.

Dr Notaras said many victims were highly traumatised and would be treated by psychiatrists and psychologists.
"I doubt the people could be any more traumatised than they are," he said.

Neurosurgeon Therese Withers, who was rushed to Darwin from Queensland, said the casualties had a "multitude of injuries".
"The bombs were really geared to cause a lot of maiming," she said.
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