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Just a Thought: France,Riots & Lefties

Postby Danyet » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:43 am

Just a thought from Horowitz

The Muslim riots in France, orchestrated by cell phones and a political directorate that has spread the violence not only across France but across Europe, is an obvious escalation of the Islamic jihad that seeks to conquer the infidel world for the Muslim faith.
It would be unkind to say that the French deserve it, but they do. This is the country that has done more to sabotage the war on Islamic terror and Muslim imperialism than any other. It has relentlessly preached appeasement of the enemy and condemnation of us, as the chief obstacle to Islamic despotism. It was the French who sabotaged the efforts to contain Saddam peacefully and prevent him from developing a weapons laboratory for his terrorist allies.
The left is still propagating the deadly lies that Saddam was 1) a secularist who did not support al-Qaeda, 2) who had no role in the Islamic attacks on the United States that began with the blowing up of the World Trade Center in 1993, 3) who did not provide Iraqi soil and protection to Islamic terrorists like Zarqawi, and 4) whose plans to build a weapons of mass destruction ~ to use against the United States and its allies were not thrwarted by the war of March 2003. All of these lies of the left have been thoroughly refuted, yet they go on.

Where are the apoligies by all those liberals and leftists who pointed fingers at the Spanish and British saying, "If you had not supported the United States' war in Iraq you would not be under attack now? The French were Saddam's and Islam's closest allies in the West.
Yet France is now the target of an Islamic jihad that is destroying the fabric of French society. The lesson for slow-witted liberals is this: The Islamic imperialists don't give a fig for what you do or what you say or what you believe in their behalf. They are holy warriors. You are infidels. You will convert or die.

History will judge harshly the saboteurs of George Bush's war to defend the West against radical Islam. As a result of Bush's offensive, Osama bin Laden and his henchmen are already effectively dead.That is the only reason 300 million Americans have been safe from attack since 9/11. What is Osama's role in the terror of the post 9/11, post-Afghanistan invasion years? So far as we know it is nil. The Bush war team has driven bin Laden into an exile from which there is no return. He orchestrates nothing; he is nothing, but a symbol kept alive by his al-Qaeda cohorts and his anti-Bush allies in the West.
So another deadly liberal lie, designed to weaken the support for the West's war against terror is exploded: that the war in Iraq is a distraction from the war on terror. Just the opposite is true: the war in Iraq is the key to the war on terror.
Imagine if Iraq was controlled by Zarqawi which is what Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan fervently wish for, and what Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy would accomplish. What do you think a Zarawai who was not pinned down by U.S. soldiers and marines would do with the Intifada in France? What would Saddam do (if the peace movement had been successful in keeping him in power)? Does anyone doubt he would give as much support to the Intifiadists in Europe as he did to the suicide bombers in Israel?

The French have even tried Jew- and Israel-bashing to appease the Islamic Jew-haters. It didn't work. The reason it didn't work is because Jew-hating is only the beginning of their sick fundamentalist creed. They hate Christians and Hindus and atheists too, and even Muslims who do not subscribe to their Islamo-fascist faith.

These are the lessons of France. The question is: will the French and all the other appeasers learn them now?
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Postby MissLT » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:23 am

I had a discussion with my bf about this riot. According to him, technically it's the French's fault behind all this. They discriminate other races and religions. They don't give colored people or non-French people have the opportunities in their country. They'd let the French have the high priorities first and then the non-French people. I mean, what's the point of letting people in your country and then you won't let them have the opportunities in the jobs?
Well, to me, either don't let them in or let them in and control them wisely. Don't push them to the edge at the very core. People will strive when they're being pushed too much.
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Postby Danyet » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:40 am

I think that there is some truth to that too! But even the "modest" Muslims will not adapt to their host country's culture.

European countries especially have thrown their doors open to a large influx of Moslem immigrants who have no intention of becoming part of the cultures of the countries to which they immigrate but to recreate their own cultures in those countries.
Western nations have welcomed people who respect neither the cultures nor the rights of the population among whom they have settled.
In Michigan, a Moslem community loudly sounds their calls to prayer several times a day, without regard to whether that sound bothers the original inhabitants of the community.
But even “moderate” Moslem organizations in the West who deplore violence and try to discourage it nevertheless encourage their followers to remain foreigners rather than become part of the countries they live in.
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Postby Rui » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:03 am

i agree with you danyet, in some way it's truth what you have said about people that don't cares about the society where they are living but they want to create a equal society as they had in their native country, i think those people that have chose france to live should understand the good and bad things about the way of life in france, otherwise we also should look to the side of those that are discontents with the government of france, because everyone has the right to equal opportunities, and i think it's a mix of all this problems that have as result in this problems, it's a very delicate situation and to be honest i don't know what is the best way to solve this problems.
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Postby Dixie » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:46 am

danyet wrote:European countries especially have thrown their doors open to a large influx of Moslem immigrants who have no intention of becoming part of the cultures of the countries to which they immigrate but to recreate their own cultures in those countries.
Western nations have welcomed people who respect neither the cultures nor the rights of the population among whom they have settled.


It's true :!: There are more Muslims every day here, living with us, but they just won't adapt themselves to the new country or culture. You can still see those women hiding their entire bodies from head to toes, even in the hottest months. :?
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Postby MissLT » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:43 pm

danyet wrote:I think that there is some truth to that too! But even the "modest" Muslims will not adapt to their host country's culture.

The way I see it is they are proud of their religion and where they come from. For instance, my coworkers and manager are Pakistani Muslims who were born in the States or have been here for more than 20 years; however, they always trash about this country. Every time white people come in and leave, they would start talking ~ behind those people's backs such how racist white men are, how the system sucks that only white men control it, etc. Once I asked them why they were doing the talking, they said this country sucked. And I asked them why they were here if the country sucked. They said it was because they needed the money and good conditions. I said to them that if they needed the money from a country, which could be able to provide that opportunity to them, then instead of being bitter and doing trash-talking, they should appreciate for what they're having right now. To some cultures, America is the fault of their failure. All I could do is shake my head and say nothing more because nothing we say would get into their heads.
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Postby Danyet » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:45 am

LennyeTran wrote:
danyet wrote:I think that there is some truth to that too! But even the "modest" Muslims will not adapt to their host country's culture.

The way I see it is they are proud of their religion and where they come from. For instance, my coworkers and manager are Pakistani Muslims who were born in the States or have been here for more than 20 years; however, they always trash about this country. Every time white people come in and leave, they would start talking ~ behind those people's backs such how racist white men are, how the system sucks that only white men control it, etc. Once I asked them why they were doing the talking, they said this country sucked. And I asked them why they were here if the country sucked. They said it was because they needed the money and good conditions. I said to them that if they needed the money from a country, which could be able to provide that opportunity to them, then instead of being bitter and doing trash-talking, they should appreciate for what they're having right now. To some cultures, America is the fault of their failure. All I could do is shake my head and say nothing more because nothing we say would get into their heads.


I think that it is only natural for immigrants to have a certain amount complaint about America because no where is perfect. I speak with many foriegners privately about this because I am am one. But this is usually limmited to complaints about the differences in social customs. I think that Americans are more guarded about their true feelings. Whereas some people from other places tend to express themselves more openly. I have seen this difference cause confusion many times in the past here in the USA. I think that my Russian friends here in the USA would probably prefer life in Australia over America for this reason.
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Postby MissLT » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:19 pm

danyet wrote: I think that it is only natural for immigrants to have a certain amount complaint about America because no where is perfect. I speak with many foriegners privately about this because I am am one. But this is usually limmited to complaints about the differences in social customs. I think that Americans are more guarded about their true feelings. Whereas some people from other places tend to express themselves more openly. I have seen this difference cause confusion many times in the past here in the USA. I think that my Russian friends here in the USA would probably prefer life in Australia over America for this reason.

:? Then why are you here? Why didn't you migrate to Australia? I, myself, don't appreciate to see immigrants who complain about the place they are staying in. It's because it shows me that they have no appreciation for the opportunities that they're granted by the place they're complaining about. It's okay for me to see native borns talking trash about their countries; it's their countries after all.
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Postby Danyet » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:05 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
danyet wrote: I think that it is only natural for immigrants to have a certain amount complaint about America because no where is perfect. I speak with many foriegners privately about this because I am am one. But this is usually limmited to complaints about the differences in social customs. I think that Americans are more guarded about their true feelings. Whereas some people from other places tend to express themselves more openly. I have seen this difference cause confusion many times in the past here in the USA. I think that my Russian friends here in the USA would probably prefer life in Australia over America for this reason.

:? Then why are you here? Why didn't you migrate to Australia?
A very unfortunate series of incidents have placed me in the USA, for the time being at least.
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Postby MissLT » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:24 pm

danyet wrote: A very unfortunate series of incidents have placed me in the USA, for the time being at least.

You can leave, you know. It's a free country.
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